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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement

From: Yuchen Pei
Subject: Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:40:09 +0200
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TIL FSF's mission is to defend user freedom from supporters who show concerns about the cause /s

On 2020-07-24 18:30, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Not for nothing, but...

"The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom. We defend the rights of all software users."  (from the FSF home page)

To me, the key word is "defend" - and, frankly, when know-nothings pontificate about why free software is doomed to failure - a strong defense is called for.  Not a kind defense. Not a polite defense.  A strong defense.  (IMO)

Miles Fidelman

On 7/24/20 11:02 AM, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
I actually don't agree to this. The goal of FSF is to make software libre knowledge and use worldwide.

Such analogy you mentioned is not for all people.

On July 24, 2020 8:40:29 AM UTC, Msavoritias <> wrote:
I agree completely. We could attract people with an enjoyable experiece
and the community feeling.
We should investigate how FSF and GNU can improve these areas.


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 07:29, Yasuaki Kudo <> wrote:
In a way, I think money is not even a big issue.

I recently came across this article:


Applying the "Slow Food" analogy, our point would not be pouring
money so that it becomes "Less Slow" 😄

I would say, we need to have more people enjoy it.  So in practical
terms, we need to develop a huge communal kitchen, instead of an
industrial food factory.

The workers at food factory, or paid computer programmers at
Microsoft, for example, would not go there were it not for the money.

However, the people at communal kitchens at camping sites go there
for the enjoyment of it!

Free Software development should a very enjoyable activity and we
should aim to develop a practical regime of constantly welcoming new
participants, educating them and empowering them to enjoy and
contribute meaningfully to the Fee Software ecosystem 😄


On Jul 24, 2020, at 06:36, Msavoritias
<> wrote:

  Mr Fidelman,
   Whether this person is or isn't correct doesn't matter. We should
   everybody respectfully otherwise we are alienating potential Free
   Software users from joining our community. Please try to be more
   in the future.

   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 15:22, Miles Fidelman
   <> wrote:

   On 7/23/20 12:48 PM, Sagar Acharya via libreplanet-discuss wrote:

     I read "Free as in Freedom" by Richard Stallman and am a strong
     supporter of GNU project. I strongly want it to succeed. However,
     when you keep money away from the free software movement, such a
     movement cannot survive against people who actively charge money
     binaries without source code. All power arises from concealment.
     When you understand a system very well, the power goes away and
     looks ordinary. When GNU or libre movement asks contributors or
     volunteers (both fancy words for "work for me for free"), you
     present making libre software as a secondary thing rather than a
     central thing. When projects licensed GPLv3 rely almost
     on "donations" from other, you rely on the donor's generosity for
     getting food at your table. I really want people to remove
     on external things and make GNU central and very active.

   So what's your point? FOSS is doing quite well.  Apache powers the
   web.  Postfix powers email.  Linux, Python, ...  And plenty of the
   guys pay good money to folks who crank out FOSS software. What's
   point of pontificating & spouting counter-factual bullshit?  Do you
   just like making a fool of yourself?  Or am I missing something?
   In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
   practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know
   but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one
   why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works
and no
   one knows why. ... unknown
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