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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions
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Zenaan Harkness |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions |
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Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:28:20 +1000 |
> Zenaan> And good project leads are good at working with people to
> Zenaan> - explain why patches are no good
> Zenaan> - recommend changes
> Zenaan> - constructively encourage
> Zenaan> - confer privileges to those who earn them.
>
> Sounds a lot like GvR, I admit, but should I conclude Linus sucks as a
> project lead, then, because he only does the last?
No you should not include Linus sucks as project lead, because he _has_
explained on _numerous_ occasions the coding style and patch submission
style that _works_ (small, logically separate patches, post early, post
often, send through already trusted 'lieutenants' when the project got
big enough, etc, etc). Now, I'm not saying he never dropped a patch, but
_he's not saying that either_. This is the point of integrity - being
honest about what you did, and what's clearly working or not.
> And interestingly,
> it is a Python developer, in a project which already has a strong
> culture of cooperative review, who feels the need to supplement custom
> with a formal process.
I cannot comment because I am totally unfamiliar with this developer and
community.
> Zenaan> I'm not arguing outright that a formalism is
> Zenaan> inappropriate, just that I would personally view it as
> Zenaan> possibly problematic in ways...
>
> Absence of formalism is _probably_ problematic.
At a certain size, I'd agree. And some types of formalism can be useful
and beneficial.
If someone had to guarantee that they'd _look_ at patches after some set
of "successful" patches, perhaps they were working with relatively
insecure people who needed a formal mechanism to provide them with that
feeling of security; or perhaps the lead guy/developer needed the
formalism as a crutch for his own lack of self discipline.
I'm just guessing here of course.
> That's not to say that all projects need as much formalism as they can
> get. But I think that this particular formalism would be useful in
> the context of Arch today.
I stand by my original statement. I am suspicious of a "10 good patches
and I promise to review your next patches" promise - to me that is
indicative of other issues; but if 10-patches-promise is the easy way
for those people to solve those problems, good for them and I'm glad it
works for them...
I haven't actually read Tom's "process" formalization document, but from
reading the comments on this list, it sounds like a different kind of
beast than this 10-patches thing you're talking about.
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Miles Bader, 2004/10/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Matthew Dempsky, 2004/10/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Thomas Lord, 2004/10/27
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/10/28
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Zenaan Harkness, 2004/10/28
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/10/29
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Talli Somekh, 2004/10/29
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Miles Bader, 2004/10/29
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Jean Helou, 2004/10/29
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Robert Collins, 2004/10/29
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions,
Zenaan Harkness <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/10/30
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Jason McCarty, 2004/10/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Zenaan Harkness, 2004/10/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, mlh, 2004/10/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Thomas Lord, 2004/10/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Zenaan Harkness, 2004/10/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Thomas Lord, 2004/10/25
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Miles Bader, 2004/10/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Zenaan Harkness, 2004/10/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: File naming conventions, Miles Bader, 2004/10/26