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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/auto
From: |
Tom Lord |
Subject: |
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla |
Date: |
Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT) |
Whenever you think about c/b/i problems and the practicality of
sweeping global changes, keep in mind the tiny scale of the problem.
Here's a good project someone should take up: get the list of all the
debian projects, draw the dependency graph, and specially highlight:
core utils needed for a Posix environment
core utils needed for an "AMP" environment
core utils needed for a C/Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby
development environment
core utils needed for the basics of your favorite
desktop environment
the dependencies of all of those
I think that that set is both independently sufficient for many
situations and is a "leadership" set -- if they homogenize on some
point then many other leaf-node and near-leaf-node projects will
follow.
I have my own guesstimates for that scale. It doesn't seem that
large a problem to me --- more than 1 person/yr, less than 10, and
highly parallelizable.
The hard problems are economic and political.
> It's not obvious to me that a world full of Toms would be able
> to deal with the problem. Sure, starting from today's mess
> they'd make enormous amounts of progress over the next decade,
5 guys could make huge progress in far less time than that.
> but then the rate at which software was being produced would
> have accelerated enough to get to the point where once again
> they couldn't coordinate conflicting designs and produce new
> designs at the same time.
You can arrange coordination with good tools.
We already _have_ very widespread cooperation via tools -- it's just
that what the aim is of those tools misses the obvious targets.
-t
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Andrew Suffield, 2004/04/06
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Robin Green, 2004/04/06
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Matthew Dempsky, 2004/04/06
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Andrew Suffield, 2004/04/06
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Tom Lord, 2004/04/07
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/04/07
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Miles Bader, 2004/04/07
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla,
Tom Lord <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/04/08
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Tom Lord, 2004/04/08
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Colin Walters, 2004/04/09
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Tom Lord, 2004/04/09
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Colin Walters, 2004/04/09
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Tom Lord, 2004/04/09
- [Gnu-arch-users] ping by request of jblack, Matthew Dempsky, 2004/04/06
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Managing changes to projects that use autoconf/automake with tla, Robert Collins, 2004/04/06