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Re: [Texmacs-dev] bibliographic data in documents

From: Miguel de Benito Delgado
Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] bibliographic data in documents
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:02:15 +0100


- I'd really like to embed bibliography data in documents. Keeping a separate 
bibtex file is cumbersome and makes sharing and storing documents more tedious.

- I also think it'd be interesting to support basic database features in 
TeXmacs (for instance via a simple interface to sqlite as we discussed) and I 
like the features Joris proposes.

- I don't like the idea of trying to develop a complete bibliography manager 
inside TeXmacs. Not because it wouldn't be cool (*especially* if one could 
annotate PDF documents in TeXmacs format, that would totally sell me into it), 
but because it would be so much work it would never be as good as a dedicated 
bibliography manager, even if it was better in some respects. Or so I fear. 
Also, aiming for a sophisticated system effectively sets completion time to 
"very distant future".

Maybe some compromise can be found?


On Dec 18, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Joris van der Hoeven <address@hidden> wrote:

> Hi all,
> We have many plans concerning bibliographies, and more generally,
> concerning database facilities.  Ideally, TeXmacs should maintain
> a personal database of bibliographic entries for each user and
> it should be easy to find citations in the database, put them
> in a document, and get them out of a document by a co-author.
> This system can very well be compatible with all existing standards.
> However, we are now working on fonts and several other things.
> So everything at its time.
> Best wishes, --Joris
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 09:02:41AM +0100, Andrea Gamba wrote:
>> Hi Massimiliano,
>> I think that the possibility of having the bibliographic data embedded is
>> interesting, but should be provided as an alternative, and the possibility
>> to use bibtex files should be preserved. Bibtex files are a
>> well-established standard and many of us use them consistently for
>> cataloguing bibliographic data. I, for instance, have catalogued thousands
>> of items this way, and would not like to be forced to convert them to
>> another format.
>> I find it really convenient to have centralized bibtex files that can be
>> used to provide smaller bibtex files via tools like pybcompact. I would
>> very much appreciate the possibility to still make reference to a
>> centralized bibtex file, but to be able to generate a bibtex-indipendent
>> file (perhaps using amsrefs as you propose) only in the end, by selecting
>> some item in the texmacs menu.
>> Best,
>> Andrea
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Massimiliano Gubinelli <
>> address@hidden> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I would like to ask your opinion about the possibility of having
>>> bibliographic data embedded in the document instead of having them in a
>>> separate bib file. Personally, when using LaTeX I avoid to have bibtex
>>> files around, I find better to have the data inside the TeX file using the
>>> amsrefs package  (http://www.ams.org/publications/authors/tex/amsrefs)
>>> and I manage my bibliographic database using Zotero (
>>> http://www.zotero.org) which does not rely on bibtex files at all. This
>>> has the advantage that the TeX file does not need a separate bib file to
>>> run and also allow some more flexibility like having multiple
>>> bibliographies in the same file (for example this is useful in a cv where
>>> you have a list of your papers and maybe a list of external references, or
>>> various lists of your papers according to different research subjects).
>>> BibTeX is more rigid about this.
>>> What  you think about including in TeXmacs the possibility of having the
>>> bibliographic data inside the document and maybe also the possibility to
>>> export a LaTeX file using amsrefs instead of bibtex.
>>> Best
>>> Max
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