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Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker
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Test Sv |
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Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker |
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Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:59:05 -0800 |
Hello;
I find the email from Anton Pomozov is very disappointing and concerning. The
email is nothing more than excuses and lip service.
He is trying to make sound that they received hundreds or thousands of emails
every day, and they need such a sophisticated and expensive system to manage
all of that info, while in reality, it is only one or few emails every day
(based on what I receive).
While many developers (including myself) are welling and able to help the
project in different ways, his response is: if you think you can do a better
job,, start your own fork and project yourself, instead of welcoming new
contributors to the projects as part of the team, as typical of the open source
community. I wonder if he will answer by saying that small team is easier to
manage?.
He is trying to give the impression that they do such a huge amount of work,
while in reality, they have not done any meaningful contribution to the project
for almost two years, and do not answer almost any of the emails thay get.
The project team is very secretive and closed in a very unusual way. There is
no openness or transparency of any kind, and do not welcome any outsiders. This
is completely against everything that the open source comunity represents.
He raised the issue of if someone has enough money, he can start his own fork
and project which raised another issue if the project team is working full time
on the project, and where they are getting their financial support?, if it is
their money, or from other sources?. However, once again the team is very
closed and secretive and do not welcome any outsiders?.
For the record, I noticed in the last few years that number of so called open
source project that operate in a similar fashion is increasing. There are even
few open source projects that do not disclose their source code?, so much for
the open source?.
Finally, I agree with the comment by another developer that linphone software
is a nice piece of software (but with many issues), and that is why they like
to support it, NOT to beak away?.
Regads;
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On Mon, 1/12/15, Anton Pomozov <address@hidden> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker
To: address@hidden
Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:16 AM
It is not as simple as
someone may imagine.
"Just create
bug-tracker" is a one small step at a long long yellow
brick road.
In addition to
the public bug-tracker you still need CVS, automatic build
and deploy system, CI and test servers.
All
of them should be tight integrate to minimize efforts of
developers to integrate patches and apply changes.
To "simple apply patch" you should
have big number of test cases of all kinds - unit,
functionality, regress, integrate.
You also
should have wide and enough smart workflow for fixing issue,
apply patch, develop new branch with new functionality or
bug fixing in release branches.
Someone
should support documentation for all this stuff and for
projects API, user stories, etc.
Does anyone of you have enough time, money and
knowledge to build whole infrastructure for that project?
If you can do all this stuff and keep it
opensource and free (at least for non commercial use) just
fork a current project and go ahead!
Everyone of us will say thank you very much!
Through some kind of magic
this project still alive and it is good enough to use it for
our purposes, and many thanks to the maintainers for
this.
> 12 янв. 2015
г., в 11:57, Henrik Pauli <address@hidden>
написал(а):
>
> I have a *patch* that's been regularly
ignored for 3 years :)
>
> On 11/01/15 23:54, Liviu Andronic
wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at
11:04 PM, Peter Villeneuve <address@hidden>
wrote:
>>> I don't think so.
>>> I have the exact same problem. I
posted a bug about the Samsung Notes 2 and
>>> 3 here but never got any replies.
I also noticed another user posted a
>>> similar bug here months ago and he
was also ignored (and the bug continues).
>>>
>> I'd
like to add my voice to this. Often I hesitate whether it is
worth
>> my effort reporting this or
that annoying bug that makes Linphone
>> unusable, simply because most of the
times my reports on the ML get
>>
unnoticed, or at the very least don't get any replies.
From the users'
>> perspective,
incredibly frustrating, as it's no fun when your
efforts
>> are almost surely going to
waste. And this most certainly dampens many
>> users' enthusiasm to help Linphone
devels track down issues with their
>>
open-source software...
>>
>> So yeah, a real bug tracker would be
so much nicer. As would be more
>>
interaction from Linphone devels. Knowing that a bug was
heard, that
>> it was discussed, and
that it was decided to wontfix or to fix (and
>> that there is an approximate time
frame, say, before the end of next
>>
year) is most satisfying for your users...
>>
>> Perhaps
Linphone needs a dedicated community organizer, or
similar?
>>
>>
Best regards,
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>> In fact, if you look through the
archives, you'll notice most bug reports
>>> never get any replies.
>>> Not the most organized open source
project I've seen...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:30 PM,
Eric Toombs <address@hidden>
wrote:
>>>> Does linphone have a
/real/ bug tracker? I posted a couple bugs on this
>>>> mailing list a year ago or so,
and they were just buried, which is what
>>>> usually happens on a mailing
list.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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- [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Eric Toombs, 2015/01/11
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Peter Villeneuve, 2015/01/11
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Test Sv, 2015/01/11
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Liviu Andronic, 2015/01/11
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Henrik Pauli, 2015/01/12
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Anton Pomozov, 2015/01/12
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Liviu Andronic, 2015/01/12
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker,
Test Sv <=
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Anton Pomozov, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Eric Toombs, 2015/01/14
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Eric Toombs, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Johan Pascal, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Jim Diamond, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Liviu Andronic, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Liviu Andronic, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Johan Pascal, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Liviu Andronic, 2015/01/13
- Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker, Kosztolányi Péter, 2015/01/13