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Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo

From: Bill Goodman
Subject: Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:09:20 +0000 (UTC)

Thank you, Richard and Joe, for your helpful responses.  As I mentioned, I am making some progress, and I'll try to find and use that Command Center, which sounds like it will help.   Also, I was expecting that the "dots" issue was related to using different Voices, so I'll try to start get the hang of that area of the program.

Your point is interesting, in your earlier email, Richard, that I've been thinking along the lines of editing static, visual symbols, whereas your program has more of a process orientation.  I'll try to keep that perspective in mind.

Thanks for your offers for additional help if I get stuck.


On Monday, June 24, 2019, 04:27:05 a.m. EDT, Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:

On Mon, 2019-06-24 at 08:56 +0100, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Richard will doubtless answer, but presumably you have found the
> Command Center (under View) which opens a separate window where you
> can search for commands etc.
> I typed in Arpeggio and (on the fourth item) it found what you want,
> I imagine. plus previously, how to extend arpeggios across staffs and
> other stuff which is way beyond my competence!
> Good luck. It is a great piece of software.
> Joe Wilkinson
> On 23/06/2019 22:45, Bill Goodman wrote:
> > Hi, are there other help resources for Denemo besides your online
> > manual?  
> >
> > Your program seems great...once I.eventually find a solution to a
> > next problem,..
> >   But I always feel as if the manual's not much  help when
> > searching for a solution, and it's all trial and error. 
> >
> > My latest specific questions include:
> >   - Is there an arpeggio symbol (i..e. the wavy line next to a
> > chord)?
> >   -  How can you detach the notes in the same apparent chord--if,
> > for example, one is dotted but the other is not dotted.   The
> > dot/undot button seems to want to dot or undot both notes together
> > ..

This is one you can't solve by searching in the Command Center, as it
is a matter of overall design, not a single command. You have to think
of an "apparent chord" as being an example of polyphony - two voices
that have just "met" at some point having the same rhythm. Or in your
case, not quite the same rhythm (dotted and not dotted).
So what you need is to create an extra Voice - which can be empty in
most places if you only have occasional real polyphony - and fill in
the bar where the divergence occurs. You can either share out the chord
notes between the two voices you have or put non-printing rests in the
new voice until the chord where they diverge dotted-not-dotted and put
the differently dotted note in the other voice. You may want then to
use the "Differently Dotted Merge On" and off commands to make the
notes share the same stem (ie merged)
There is a lot more potential complexity to writing polyphonic music
but you may not come up against that - if you do, please ask for help.
The example (File->Open->Open Example->Keyboard Polyphony) shows some
of the things needed for a score that has five different rhythms at one

> >     For some other problems I've figured out 'workarounds' but am
> > not sure if I've discovered the 'official' solution.   (For
> > example, I couldn't find an instruction to add a natural
> > symbol.....but if a flat is expected by the key signature, then
> > clicking for a sharpening has that effect.

I'm not sure what "clicking for a sharpening effect" is! There commands
for Cautionary Accidental and Reminder Accidental
which are in the Notes/Rests->Append/Edit Note menu. As Joe says, the
Command Center is there to help get round the problem of the very large
number of features that a fully-featured music typesetter must have.
The only snag is you have to guess at the musical terms involved - in
this case the musical term "accidental", But given that you cannot find
a command because it seems to be lost amidst thousands of commands you
can be confident that it will be there somewhere... so you are welcome
to ask. 

(I've long wanted to add a "keywords" feature to the commands - each
command would have a set of "keywords" attached to it by a human editor
to cover the case where the name label or help text of a command
happens not to include a word someone might search for. But volunteers
to attach all the keywords are too thin on the ground, and life is too
short :( )



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