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Re: [Denemo-devel] Typesetting error re score with voices : help for den
Re: [Denemo-devel] Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo
Tue, 25 Jun 2019 09:09:41 +0100
On Mon, 2019-06-24 at 21:25 +0000, Bill Goodman wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I'm starting to experiment with using voices to get the polyphony
> effect I was look for.
> The "Playback" feature thinks the score shown in the top half if the
> figure is fine---clicking Play produces the notes I'm expecting
> But the Typesetting feature keeps saying something's very wrong. Can
> you see what I've done wrong?
Well I can see that the first full bar in the second staff is marked in
blue, meaning it is too short a duration (only one half quarter note).
You may want to fill it with rests (as you have the upbeat), or perhaps
You should be told about this if you run Score->Check Score
But that by itself wouldn't trigger the message from the LilyPond
You can look in View->LilyPond - right click and re-typeset and report
the messages that LilyPond gives at the bottom. Or just email the
> On Monday, June 24, 2019, 03:09:20 p.m. EDT, Bill Goodman <bill.goodm
> address@hidden> wrote:
> Thank you, Richard and Joe, for your helpful responses. As I
> mentioned, I am making some progress, and I'll try to find and use
> that Command Center, which sounds like it will help. Also, I was
> expecting that the "dots" issue was related to using different
> Voices, so I'll try to start get the hang of that area of the
> Your point is interesting, in your earlier email, Richard, that I've
> been thinking along the lines of editing static, visual symbols,
> whereas your program has more of a process orientation. I'll try to
> keep that perspective in mind.
> Thanks for your offers for additional help if I get stuck.
> On Monday, June 24, 2019, 04:27:05 a.m. EDT, Richard Shann <richard@r
> shann.plus.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-24 at 08:56 +0100, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> > Hi Bill,
> > Richard will doubtless answer, but presumably you have found the
> > Command Center (under View) which opens a separate window where you
> > can search for commands etc.
> > I typed in Arpeggio and (on the fourth item) it found what you
> > I imagine. plus previously, how to extend arpeggios across staffs
> > other stuff which is way beyond my competence!
> > Good luck. It is a great piece of software.
> > Joe Wilkinson
> > On 23/06/2019 22:45, Bill Goodman wrote:
> > > Hi, are there other help resources for Denemo besides your online
> > > manual?
> > >
> > > Your program seems great...once I.eventually find a solution to a
> > > next problem,..
> > > But I always feel as if the manual's not much help when
> > > searching for a solution, and it's all trial and error.
> > >
> > > My latest specific questions include:
> > > - Is there an arpeggio symbol (i..e. the wavy line next to a
> > > chord)?
> > > - How can you detach the notes in the same apparent chord--if,
> > > for example, one is dotted but the other is not dotted. The
> > > dot/undot button seems to want to dot or undot both notes
> > > ..
> This is one you can't solve by searching in the Command Center, as it
> is a matter of overall design, not a single command. You have to
> of an "apparent chord" as being an example of polyphony - two voices
> that have just "met" at some point having the same rhythm. Or in your
> case, not quite the same rhythm (dotted and not dotted).
> So what you need is to create an extra Voice - which can be empty in
> most places if you only have occasional real polyphony - and fill in
> the bar where the divergence occurs. You can either share out the
> notes between the two voices you have or put non-printing rests in
> new voice until the chord where they diverge dotted-not-dotted and
> the differently dotted note in the other voice. You may want then to
> use the "Differently Dotted Merge On" and off commands to make the
> notes share the same stem (ie merged)
> There is a lot more potential complexity to writing polyphonic music
> but you may not come up against that - if you do, please ask for
> The example (File->Open->Open Example->Keyboard Polyphony) shows some
> of the things needed for a score that has five different rhythms at
> > > For some other problems I've figured out 'workarounds' but am
> > > not sure if I've discovered the 'official' solution. (For
> > > example, I couldn't find an instruction to add a natural
> > > symbol.....but if a flat is expected by the key signature, then
> > > clicking for a sharpening has that effect.
> I'm not sure what "clicking for a sharpening effect" is! There
> for Cautionary Accidental and Reminder Accidental
> which are in the Notes/Rests->Append/Edit Note menu. As Joe says, the
> Command Center is there to help get round the problem of the very
> number of features that a fully-featured music typesetter must have.
> The only snag is you have to guess at the musical terms involved - in
> this case the musical term "accidental", But given that you cannot
> a command because it seems to be lost amidst thousands of commands
> can be confident that it will be there somewhere... so you are
> to ask.
> (I've long wanted to add a "keywords" feature to the commands - each
> command would have a set of "keywords" attached to it by a human
> to cover the case where the name label or help text of a command
> happens not to include a word someone might search for. But
> to attach all the keywords are too thin on the ground, and life is
> short :( )
Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo, Richard Shann, 2019/06/24
- Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo, (continued)
- Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo, Richard Shann, 2019/06/24
- Re: [Denemo-devel] help for denemo, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/24
- [Denemo-devel] Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/24
- [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/24
- Re: [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo, Richard Shann, 2019/06/25
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- Re: [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo, Richard Shann, 2019/06/26
- Re: [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/27
- [Denemo-devel] "Play an octave higher" notation, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/28
- Re: [Denemo-devel] "Play an octave higher" notation, Richard Shann, 2019/06/29
- Re: [Denemo-devel] "Play an octave higher" notation, Bill Goodman, 2019/06/29
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