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Re: [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : hel

From: Richard Shann
Subject: Re: [Denemo-devel] P.S. Re: Typesetting error re score with voices : help for denemo
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 09:18:18 +0100

On Mon, 2019-06-24 at 21:52 +0000, Bill Goodman wrote:
> {Re the perplexing  error described below:  I tracked down the hidden
> Denemo Temp file pointed to in the error message, and there is a file
> there called DenemoPrintA.pdf in which the typeset
> score looks exactly as it should, with no error error shown. 
>  If worse comes to worse, I guess I could look down there to get my
> output?}
No need, that is the file being displayed(*) on the Print View (View-
>Typeset) albeit overlaid with a message - you can print that (the
overlay doesn't print). But it's better not to leave gremlins that may
come to bite you later.
Along with the DenemoPrintA/B.pdf there should be a .log file
indicating what the LilyPond typesetter made of your output - only the
first bit of this is shown in the View->LilyPond window I think...
You can email your file privately if you don't want to publish it -
though it looks like you've only just started it, so it's probably not
top secret!
(*) what is displayed is the last successful typeset - if LilyPond
could not typeset some change you have made since then nothing will be
here except the old file. 

> On Monday, June 24, 2019, 05:25:38 p.m. EDT, Bill Goodman <bill.goodm
> address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I'm starting to experiment with using voices to get the polyphony
> effect I was look for.
> The "Playback" feature thinks the score shown in the top half if the
> figure is fine---clicking Play produces the notes I'm expecting
> But the Typesetting feature keeps saying something's very wrong.  Can
> you see what I've done wrong?
> Thanks
> Bill
> On Monday, June 24, 2019, 03:09:20 p.m. EDT, Bill Goodman <bill.goodm
> address@hidden> wrote:
> Thank you, Richard and Joe, for your helpful responses.  As I
> mentioned, I am making some progress, and I'll try to find and use
> that Command Center, which sounds like it will help.   Also, I was
> expecting that the "dots" issue was related to using different
> Voices, so I'll try to start get the hang of that area of the
> program.
> Your point is interesting, in your earlier email, Richard, that I've
> been thinking along the lines of editing static, visual symbols,
> whereas your program has more of a process orientation.  I'll try to
> keep that perspective in mind.
> Thanks for your offers for additional help if I get stuck.
> Bill
> On Monday, June 24, 2019, 04:27:05 a.m. EDT, Richard Shann <richard@r
>> wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-24 at 08:56 +0100, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> > Hi Bill,
> > Richard will doubtless answer, but presumably you have found the
> > Command Center (under View) which opens a separate window where you
> > can search for commands etc.
> > I typed in Arpeggio and (on the fourth item) it found what you
> want,
> > I imagine. plus previously, how to extend arpeggios across staffs
> and
> > other stuff which is way beyond my competence!
> > Good luck. It is a great piece of software.
> > Joe Wilkinson
> > On 23/06/2019 22:45, Bill Goodman wrote:
> > > Hi, are there other help resources for Denemo besides your online
> > > manual?  
> > > 
> > > Your program seems great...once I.eventually find a solution to a
> > > next problem,..
> > >   But I always feel as if the manual's not much  help when
> > > searching for a solution, and it's all trial and error. 
> > > 
> > > My latest specific questions include:
> > >   - Is there an arpeggio symbol (i..e. the wavy line next to a
> > > chord)?
> > >   -  How can you detach the notes in the same apparent chord--if,
> > > for example, one is dotted but the other is not dotted.   The
> > > dot/undot button seems to want to dot or undot both notes
> together
> > > ..
> This is one you can't solve by searching in the Command Center, as it
> is a matter of overall design, not a single command. You have to
> think
> of an "apparent chord" as being an example of polyphony - two voices
> that have just "met" at some point having the same rhythm. Or in your
> case, not quite the same rhythm (dotted and not dotted).
> So what you need is to create an extra Voice - which can be empty in
> most places if you only have occasional real polyphony - and fill in
> the bar where the divergence occurs. You can either share out the
> chord
> notes between the two voices you have or put non-printing rests in
> the
> new voice until the chord where they diverge dotted-not-dotted and
> put
> the differently dotted note in the other voice. You may want then to
> use the "Differently Dotted Merge On" and off commands to make the
> notes share the same stem (ie merged)
> There is a lot more potential complexity to writing polyphonic music
> but you may not come up against that - if you do, please ask for
> help.
> The example (File->Open->Open Example->Keyboard Polyphony) shows some
> of the things needed for a score that has five different rhythms at
> one
> point.
> > >     For some other problems I've figured out 'workarounds' but am
> > > not sure if I've discovered the 'official' solution.   (For
> > > example, I couldn't find an instruction to add a natural
> > > symbol.....but if a flat is expected by the key signature, then
> > > clicking for a sharpening has that effect.
> I'm not sure what "clicking for a sharpening effect" is! There
> commands
> for Cautionary Accidental and Reminder Accidental
> which are in the Notes/Rests->Append/Edit Note menu. As Joe says, the
> Command Center is there to help get round the problem of the very
> large
> number of features that a fully-featured music typesetter must have.
> The only snag is you have to guess at the musical terms involved - in
> this case the musical term "accidental", But given that you cannot
> find
> a command because it seems to be lost amidst thousands of commands
> you
> can be confident that it will be there somewhere... so you are
> welcome
> to ask. 
> (I've long wanted to add a "keywords" feature to the commands - each
> command would have a set of "keywords" attached to it by a human
> editor
> to cover the case where the name label or help text of a command
> happens not to include a word someone might search for. But
> volunteers
> to attach all the keywords are too thin on the ground, and life is
> too
> short :( )
> Richard

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