Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Project Structure

[Dan Kuykendall]

Chris Weiss wrote:

> Dan Kuykendall (address@hidden) wrote:
>
> > I will pull back control of the project.....
>
>
> Please do!  You have a knack for keeping moral up and things moving along, but 
> the
> last year or so you have been mostly absent and the project has suffered.

I have been trying to arrange my schedule to allow more phpGW time. 
Right now its a bit hard.

> As for past contributions, even you have admited that a lot of the code was a
> learning experience and you now see that large chunks of it need rewritten for
> performance and security.  How exactly is this to be done when the ones that 
> wrote
> it do not participate?

None of us is stopping anyone else from trying to rewrite these things. 
In fact I wrote a new ACL and submitted what I had. Anyone that felt the 
need could have picked it up and continued with it. I will continue with 
it as soon as I can.

> How do i define participate?  commit something.  answer emails on the list other
> than political responses.  Follow through with what you say you will do or pass 
> on
> the permissions so someone else can.  What am i talking about?  Savahna issues 
> that
> didn't get resolved that you have access to and no one else.  We had to beg on 
> the
> savahna guys to do it.  acl2.  xslt.  database....when where you planning on 
> sharing
> your discoveries about PEAR?  like it doesn't affect us or anything...

My xslt plans and my acl2 are all in cvs. I commited them for everyone 
to see. I just could complete the entire process due to time. As far as 
the savannah issues, the savannah hackers are the ones that do most of 
the stuff. I happen to have some special permissions for controlling who 
has access to commit to the API. Thats the only real reason for the 
extra permissions I have.

> Dan, you have not been leading the project.  Dave has.  One of thing I've always
> liked about his project is that has been about making things work, doing the 
> job.
> Now you want to sit in the shadows doing who knows what and won't give those 
> who are
> doing the job the power to do it to the best they can.

I know Dave is leading right now. I have given him moral support and not 
really stood in his way. If I have, show me how. I gave him admin rights 
to the savannah project, and shell access to the website. Theres not 
much more I can do to allow him to help lead the project. Ceb is also 
involved, so she also is trying to help lead the project.

> You want to fork?  I can say for sure your fork will die a silent and lonely 
> death.

I dont want a fork. And if one did happen, I think phpGW would continue. 
I would just need to find a way to become more active.

>  As the old saying goes: Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.  I will
> follow.  I supported you in every task each time you "returned", even if others
> didn't get it, or didn't even know who you are.  Now you threaten to pull the
> project and make it "lonely" just because you no longer have the time to 
> effectively
> lead?  I will not support you in that.

I have always appreciated your support. I have basicly "gotten out of 
the way", but not messing with what Dave wants to do unless I think its 
something that could dramaticly hurt the project.

Dan