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Re: Matrix communication protocol.

From: Ali Reza Hayati
Subject: Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:51:52 +0430

If you ever considered using Riot (newly renamed to Element), please
note that Riot/Element has Electron and Electron is considered nonfree.

Electron has Chromium in it but it doesn't include all licenses of
Chromium so it's a violation of software freedom.

On 7/30/20 8:34 PM, Msavoritias wrote:
>    Dino is not available for Android it seems though. On desktop there are
>    choices.
>    I wanted a client for Android so i searched on Google play and Fdroid
>    but couldn't find one with acceptable design. Proprietary or otherwise.
>    I understand that tech people don't care about UI/UX but we need some
>    nice looking clients.
>    Plus I have seen that there is a huge shift to Matrix for non-tech
>    people.
>    IRC and XMPP seem to stay into obscurity. XMPP would have been popular
>    by now.
>    And what good is a system if its not popular? I don't want to message
>    my self.
>    Matrix is the only protocol that is actively developed, is Free
>    Software (although not AGPL-3), and seems to have a consensus by the
>    wider community. Also the clients seem to decently designed.
>    I'm saying all this because if we want to attract more Free Software
>    users, like it or not we need a good presentation with good interface.
>    otherwise we risk to fall into obscurity.
>    No, Im not saying to use proprietary messaging to attract users.
>    MSavoritias
>    On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:37, Denver Gingerich <>
>    wrote:
>    On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 06:25:36PM +0200, Msavoritias wrote:
>      On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:47, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via
>      libreplanet-discuss <[1]> wrote:
>      Note: I don't speak for FSF, nor for GNU. Em 23/07/2020 18:56,
>      Msavoritias escreveu: I would like to ask is it in the works to have
>      an official FSF/GNU server in the future? Are there any blockers I
>      can help with? FSF already has XMPP service for their associate
>      members. I guess it comes down to personal preference but for me I
>      didn't see the same features in all the clients I tried and almost
>      all of them were badly designed. This doesn't help with convincing
>      people to use XMPP.
>    Where did you go to determine which XMPP clients to try? And which
>    clients did you try? I believe there should be better resources to
>    allow people to more easily find the best XMPP clients - I'm trying to
>    do my part with the recommendations at [2]
>    (for the free software service I run). In short, use Gajim or
>    Conversations. If you want fancy design but less features, then Dino.
>    Hopefully we can make these recommendations more widely-known so that
>    people don't give up on XMPP. It's an excellent protocol and is very
>    easy to use and featureful if you have the right client. Denver
>    [3]
> References
>    1.
>    2.
>    3.
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