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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement

From: Msavoritias
Subject: Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:05:03 +0200

   I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. You can say the most
   correct and right things in the world.
   But if you don't make the person that hears you inspired or happy you
   won't go anywhere.

   On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 15:02, Ali Reza Hayati <>

   I actually don't agree to this. The goal of FSF is to make software
   libre knowledge and use worldwide. Such analogy you mentioned is not
   for all people. On July 24, 2020 8:40:29 AM UTC, Msavoritias
   <[1]> wrote:

     I agree completely. We could attract people with an enjoyable
     experiece and the community feeling. We should investigate how FSF
     and GNU can improve these areas. Regards, MSavoritias On Fri, Jul
     24, 2020 at 07:29, Yasuaki Kudo <[2]> wrote:

     In a way, I think money is not even a big issue. I recently came
     across this article:
     low-computing> Applying the "Slow Food" analogy, our point would not
     be pouring money so that it becomes "Less Slow" 😄 I would say, we
     need to have more people enjoy it. So in practical terms, we need to
     develop a huge communal kitchen, instead of an industrial food
     factory. The workers at food factory, or paid computer programmers
     at Microsoft, for example, would not go there were it not for the
     money. However, the people at communal kitchens at camping sites go
     there for the enjoyment of it! Free Software development should a
     very enjoyable activity and we should aim to develop a practical
     regime of constantly welcoming new participants, educating them and
     empowering them to enjoy and contribute meaningfully to the Fee
     Software ecosystem 😄 -Yasu

     On Jul 24, 2020, at 06:36, Msavoritias
     <[4]> wrote:  Mr Fidelman, Whether
     this person is or isn't correct doesn't matter. We should treat
     everybody respectfully otherwise we are alienating potential Free
     Software users from joining our community. Please try to be more
     polite in the future. MSavoritias On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 15:22,
     Miles Fidelman <[5]> wrote: On 7/23/20
     12:48 PM, Sagar Acharya via libreplanet-discuss wrote: I read "Free
     as in Freedom" by Richard Stallman and am a strong supporter of GNU
     project. I strongly want it to succeed. However, when you keep money
     away from the free software movement, such a movement cannot survive
     against people who actively charge money for binaries without source
     code. All power arises from concealment. When you understand a
     system very well, the power goes away and it looks ordinary. When
     GNU or libre movement asks contributors or volunteers (both fancy
     words for "work for me for free"), you present making libre software
     as a secondary thing rather than a central thing. When projects
     licensed GPLv3 rely almost completely on "donations" from other, you
     rely on the donor's generosity for getting food at your table. I
     really want people to remove reliance on external things and make
     GNU central and very active. So what's your point? FOSS is doing
     quite well. Apache powers the web. Postfix powers email. Linux,
     Python, ... And plenty of the bug guys pay good money to folks who
     crank out FOSS software. What's the point of pontificating &
     spouting counter-factual bullshit? Do you just like making a fool of
     yourself? Or am I missing something? Miles Fidelman -- In theory,
     there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice,
     there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but
     nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows
     why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and
     no one knows why. ... unknown
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