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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement

From: Msavoritias
Subject: Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:40:29 +0200

   I agree completely. We could attract people with an enjoyable experiece
   and the community feeling.
   We should investigate how FSF and GNU can improve these areas.

   On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 07:29, Yasuaki Kudo <> wrote:

   In a way, I think money is not even a big issue.
   I recently came across this article:
   Applying the "Slow Food" analogy, our point would not be pouring money
   so that it becomes "Less Slow" 😄
   I would say, we need to have more people enjoy it.  So in practical
   terms, we need to develop a huge communal kitchen, instead of an
   industrial food factory.
   The workers at food factory, or paid computer programmers at Microsoft,
   for example, would not go there were it not for the money.
   However, the people at communal kitchens at camping sites go there for
   the enjoyment of it!
   Free Software development should a very enjoyable activity and we
   should aim to develop a practical regime of constantly welcoming new
   participants, educating them and empowering them to enjoy and
   contribute meaningfully to the Fee Software ecosystem 😄

     On Jul 24, 2020, at 06:36, Msavoritias
     <> wrote:

      Mr Fidelman,
     Whether this person is or isn't correct doesn't matter. We should
     everybody respectfully otherwise we are alienating potential Free
     Software users from joining our community. Please try to be more
     in the future.
     On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 15:22, Miles Fidelman
     <> wrote:
     On 7/23/20 12:48 PM, Sagar Acharya via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
       I read "Free as in Freedom" by Richard Stallman and am a strong
       supporter of GNU project. I strongly want it to succeed. However,
       when you keep money away from the free software movement, such a
       movement cannot survive against people who actively charge money
       binaries without source code. All power arises from concealment.
       When you understand a system very well, the power goes away and it
       looks ordinary. When GNU or libre movement asks contributors or
       volunteers (both fancy words for "work for me for free"), you
       present making libre software as a secondary thing rather than a
       central thing. When projects licensed GPLv3 rely almost completely
       on "donations" from other, you rely on the donor's generosity for
       getting food at your table. I really want people to remove reliance
       on external things and make GNU central and very active.
     So what's your point? FOSS is doing quite well.  Apache powers the
     web.  Postfix powers email.  Linux, Python, ...  And plenty of the
     guys pay good money to folks who crank out FOSS software. What's the
     point of pontificating & spouting counter-factual bullshit?  Do you
     just like making a fool of yourself?  Or am I missing something?
     In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
     practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know
     but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows
     why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and
     one knows why. ... unknown
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