Re: [emacs-bidi] Control-key binding while typing (for example) Hebrew

[Amit Ramon]

Hi Scot,

I was too hastened to say it is working well - I still have a
problem. But after understanding the problem I would more precisely
say that the Hebrew input method is actually working as it should, but
it is not doing what I need it to do :)

The point is that, AFAIK, Emacs input method is simply a translation
from one character to another. So, for example, when Emacs receives a 'x'
character it is translated to Hebrew Samekh. However, the location of the
button that sends 'x' depends on the keyboard layout, so the location
of the key that will send Hebrew Samekh also depend on the layout.

The current Hebrew input method functions assumes a QWERTY
layout. When using DVORAK layout the Hebrew keys shuffles all over the
keyboard... So the key that sends Hebrew Samekh is now located where
the 'x' is located in a DVORAK layout, but this is not where one would
expect it to be.

I think that the solution is to write a specific input method
that assumes a DVORAK layout - it is quiet simple, but isn't there a more
elegant method for that?

Best,

Amit

p.s. BTW, there art 2 lines in hebrew.el that cause Emacs to
complain. They are: 

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Scot Becker <address@hidden> [2010-06-25 07:01 +0100]:

> Amit,
>
> Glad you've got it mostly working.
>
> I'm not sure I grasp your situation entirely, and don't myself understand
> exactly how the Emacs input methods work, but I'll hazard a guess, which you
> probably already have guessed as well, that the Emacs hebrew-lyx input
> method you are using defines some keys and lets the rest pass through to
> your operating system's normal keystroke handler, which is in your case is
> set to English Dvorak.  If that fits with what you see you might be able to
> extend the input method you are using to do what you want.  The file is
> pretty easy to read.  You might also try the hebrew-lyx input method with
> your OS's keyboard set to a different setting (USA/UK), but if you change
> back and forth a lot you probably won't want to change both the Emacs input
> method and the OS 'keyboard'.
>
> Best,
>
> Scot
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Amit Ramon <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> > Scot, thanks a lot.
> >
> > Scot Becker <address@hidden> [2010-06-24 22:01 +0100]:
> >
> >
> >  Amit,
> > > Are you using one of the new input methods, introduced to us in this
> > > message:
> > >
> > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/2010-05/msg00025.html
> >
> > I must have overlooked this message. It's now
> > working very well, except some minor issues.
> >
> > The problematic issue seems to be related to the fact that I'm using an
> > English Dvorak keyboard layout, and Hebrew Lyx. What
> > happens is that when the Hebrew Lyx input method is active some keys
> > give the English Dvorak characters. This happen with the brackets,
> > equal sign and perhaps some more keys that change position between
> > Hebrew and English.
> >
> > For example, the standard equal key, two keys to the right of the zero
> > key, gives a right bracket in Hebrew Lyx input method, which is its
> > Dvorak mapping.
> >
> > This is not a serious problem, and I'll try looking into it.
> >
> > Tanks again,
> >
> > Amit

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