Re: [Dragora-members] Relation of Qi and Qire

[Matias Fonzo]

El 2020-06-14 09:20, Michael Siegel escribió:
> Am 13.06.20 um 00:35 schrieb Matias Fonzo:
> > I understood that you want Qire's ability in Qi, but I also understood
> > that for a better understanding of both things we should unify or 
> > extend
> > with appropriate languages since the package managing is something
> > complex, as Qi currently works well, maybe there is no need to rewrite
> > Qi now (and I hope not :-).
>
> Well, I wasn't meaning to imply that Qi should explicitly include the
> ability to do what Qire does. I was just trying to say that I think Qi
> should be the way the user invokes those things. I.e., Qi should be 
> able
> to make use of Qire seamlessly if that is possible.

That would mean adding a little more code in Qi to invoke the modes of 
Qire, when a change in Qire occurs we may have to adapt the change in Qi 
later and publish the new version containing that change, which is not 
practical.

> > The point of having only one command leads to think that Qi could 
> > invoke
> > the "extensions" of Qire, by this I meant part of Qire, not the whole
> > interface, taking into account everything Qi already has, including 
> > the
> > documentation format.
> >
> > This has the advantage that parts of "Qi" will be in 
> > Fennel/Scheme/Lips
> > or whatever, while in the future parts or modes of Qi could be 
> > replaced
> > in the same language (if needed).
> >
> > On the other hand, we still don't know how users will interact using 
> > qi
> > and qire, it might be positive (I hope).
>
> Sorry, but this confuses me even more.

I'm sorry, I realized that it's better to incorporate parts of Qire into 
Qi and invoke them after you suggested the single command, maybe I 
didn't get it right.

> Could you explain the relation of Qi and Qire how you currently 
> envision
> it for Dragora 3 once again as if you were trying to explain it to
> someone who has no prior knowledge of those things? That will surely
> help to cure my confusion.

Well... Qi is the package manager, to build, install, remove or update 
distributed software or binary packages.  Qi uses the Graft for package 
management or control, which can be used separately for finer package 
management.  Qire is the remote extension of Qi for managing or 
obtaining binary packages over the Internet.

> About rewriting Qi: While I would agree that Qi should not be rewritten
> for Dragora 3, I think there is one good reason to rewrite Qi in a more
> suitable language at some later point. And that is that, ultimately, Qi
> should also offer a GUI, in my opinion.

I'd like to do one, maybe in Tcl/Tk.  But I don't have the energy or the 
knowledge to do that right now either.