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Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help


From: Alex Perez
Subject: Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:45:21 -0800
User-agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206)

jesse@jesseross.com wrote:
Also, apart from icons, is there a direction for the default GUI
interface? I saw some of the theming that will be/is available
through Camaelon -- has there been a clear consensus on keeping
certain NEXTSTEP
elements or moving to a more Mac look (ie: horizontal menubar versus
vertical floating bar, scrollbar on left/right)? Any feedback on that
would be helpful for redesiging the default GUI.

This comes up from time to time on the list.  There are equally many
usability and aesthetic points that could be cited in favor of either
interface, Aqua or "Step".  Since Aqua is already being handled nicely
by Apple, it's probably best to make GNUstep's default the
alternative, instead of an imitation that will always pale compared to
the original.  (In some ways it actually feels good to move from a KDE
to a Windows machine, for example..)  Likewise for aping Gnome.  The
development and continuing popularity of window managers such as
WindowMaker and Afterstep suggests there is a user population that
likes the Step theme.


First, let me tell you that I'm a very new GNUStep user, but I really
like it so far.
The only thing which bothers me is its rather dated look.
I'm just looking at the screenshot from Nicolas Roard with the new
icons, and I
have to admit that it looks pretty good.
But I still don't like the look of some of the widgets.
Are there any plans to change them?
Or, a better question, do you want them changed?

I'm not sure what I should make of all the comments written on
GNUStep.org.
It sounds more like you want to keep the look of the widgets as they
are.

Regards,
Patrik



I totally agree -- the look of the widgets and dock is very dated, and
they all feel very "large". I think this is one of the things that the
design team needs to determine specs for and then work on implementing a
default modern look.

The "dock" in most environments where GNUstep apps are run is actually provided by WindowMaker in the majority of cases. WindowMaker does not support alpha-channel background images (the gray square that the icon itself sits over) and I wish it did, because it would free us to have a much more modern-looking dock.

Cheers,
Alex





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