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Fwd: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)

From: Joachim Larsen
Subject: Fwd: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:38:14 +0700

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joachim Larsen <guidebook.in.th@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)
To: Jeff Seibert <address@hidden>

My apologies for going 'off topic' I think I was merely venting some frustration over the thread not really venturing near the topic I had hoped. What I was hoping for were technical pointers in regards to implementing streaming documents.

I am hoping that we can touch on that again. As an aside, since you bring it up; the reason that they implemented the SLA in the first place was because previously customers had experienced service problems on EC2. I think its great that they offer discounts if the uptime is not 99.9%.
Here are 116 posts from just under a year ago full of angst and anxiety.

The EC2 platform is lovely in its simplicity, the great thing is that it relies exclusively on S3 for data storage, when a 'virtual machine' is terminated all data is gone. What happens if something happens to a VM while it is in the process of saving data to S3 ? If not designed correctly you run the risk of there being no transactional logs left. There is no way to find out what is 'missing'. Sure you can see what was written and S3 may store its data in triplicate, but it is the *same* data. This is why RAID is not backup, data corruption gets replicated just as readily.

The issue with relying on providers that rely on cloud computing is compounded by the fact that a client is dependant on the provider for getting access to the data. I might find it unlikely that Amazon will fold anytime soon, but when the CFO of some upstart online publishing venture absconds to Panama or the reality of the fundemental untenability of 'cheap money' finally hits.. How can I convince Amazon that *that* bucket belongs to *me*?

Anyway, thank you for your well wishing.

  Best Regards,

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Jeff Seibert <address@hidden> wrote:
Joe - 

I think this thread has gone off-topic for the swftools list. 

I would caution against your mistrust in cloud computing services. Amazon stores S3 data in triplicate in geographically distributed data centers. While they cannot guarantee the integrity of your data (that is indeed impossible), they do offer a 99.9% SLA, and your data is likely exponentially safer with them than if you choose to host it yourself or use a smaller, less established offering. Google "only" stores its own data in triplicate worldwide - the chance of all 3 drives failing simultaneously has been computed and is absolutely miniscule.

Good luck with your project,


On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Joachim Larsen wrote:

Hi Fred,

Thank you,
I realize that people have already made streaming document readers, what surprises me is that there are some that are not.
The problem with most commercial solutions lie with the fact that they tend to rely on the flimsy abstraction with the appropriate moniker of 'Cloud', which basically means "No Idea Where But They Probably Won't Go Under With My Data". I'm sure that is appropriate for most consumables but it is not something that I can justify to my client who wants to store preserve books for posterity. Raid is not backup, S3 wisely does not pretend to guarantee the integrity of your data.

I need something that can be installed on our servers, can convert and serve media from our server without external dependencies.
This is something that most companies in your line of business would balk at, because it would in most cases it quickly becomes apparent that the 'product'  amounts to the functionality of shell scripts calling opensource or worse yet, modified opensource programs.

I wonder how many companies will be based in non-extradition countries once AGPL becomes the norm.      

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Fred <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Joe,


Thanks for sharing your view. I have no intention to harass you. I am not a Sales guy, by the way. J


I have written to you because I catch some of the request that you made, may have already being engineered into a complete solution.

I will follow up with you on a separate email to address "please tell me what it is that your product has to offer me."


My sincere apology if I appeared to be intrusive.





From: Joachim Larsen [mailto:address@hidden]
Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 10:36 AM
To: address@hidden; address@hidden

Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)


Yes their product lists for 4k, they offered it for 250 towards a good cause.
Thanks Fred, but I am not about to advise my client to pay money for something that should be free.

Quite frankly the gall of companies charging exorbitant prices for something they pieced together from opensource software is a bit nauseating.  Where would you be without pdf2swf? Where would your engineers be without having been able to build on and learn from the work of those before you?

And now you spend your time peddling trinkets on mailing lists. Get a real job. I've spent the last 2 (two) days looking at actionscript and there are no technical difficulties there.

What is it exactly that you are selling?
Front End Engineers' (using that term lightly here) time on elements that are packaged inside the viewer for some strange reason rather than having handles for _javascript_ calls so it would be easily skinnable and adaptable?

S3 storage that runs at $0.15 per gigabyte month at its priciest? (with no guarantees that data loss won't happen)

 There seems to be no real product, although, there is a service that involves pdf2swf + DRM wrappers and wrappers for S3's REST API.
Here, take my wallet.

From my initial request on this mailing list regarding technical information to solve my problem I have so far received 4 unsolicited sales pitches. Yes I understand that times are tough, but unless you are scribd and have a functional community you don't have a product here. You have the model all backwards. I am sure that you are able to sell your product to lazy and/or unqualified 'webmasters' or 'content publishers' or whatever they call the people who felt it was a hard choice choosing between making a career in business management, realty or IT.

It makes me feel hollow, sad and vaguely wondering how much I could have picked up in real estate.

Sorry for the rant, please tell me what it is that your product has to offer me. 


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Fred <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Joe,


If your mentioned "rubbish" can charge 4K USD, I am sure that our solution is not shy in matching this offer. This can be further negotiated for a good cause, as you mentioned.

Most important, the solution fits your need.


If you're interested to explore further, I can request for a trial.







From: Joachim Larsen [mailto:address@hidden]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009 8:23 PM
To: address@hidden

Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)


Is that an offer to donate to a good cause?

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Fred <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Joe,


Are you also exploring a ready available solution for your client? I can connect you up with our sales team.


Demo: http://tinyurl.com/8m56la





From: swftools-common-bounces+fredckp=gmail.com@nongnu.org [mailto:swftools-common-bounces+fredckp=gmail.com@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Joachim Larsen
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)


Hi Guys and Gals,

I stumbled over this thread while trying to solve a problem for a client, basically they were using ajaxdocumentviewer.com which was rubbish, turns out they use pdf2swf and wrap some DRM stuff around it, and charge 4k usd for a viewer which can't handle streaming.

My client is building an online repository for hosting rare free ebooks, some are available from the gutenberg project but many are not english language books. This is especially meant for people in poorer regions where access to print books is unavailable or prohibitively expensive. He has a database and pdf versions of over 50,000 titles some of which are rendered to pdf files over 100mb in size. Using th pdf2swf with no switches renders this to a 300mb swf file.

Streaming capabilities are a must.

I have 0 flash experience but not opposed to getting my hands a bit dirty.
What can I do to get this functionality?
Any help would be greatly appreciated

Also I apologize if I've breached some point of mail-list netiquette, I am well versed in this new-fangled hi-tech communication avenue that you young kids like to play with.

Best Regards,

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Anand <address@hidden> wrote:

Any new updates on the pageflip ?


From: matt cline <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Cc: "address@hidden" <address@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:29:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] highlight links (not on hover)

Thanks for hijacking my thread.  Roger, since you've been so helpful to me, here are two players I'll be releasing open source shortly.  One is single frame one is flip, both are load on demand.


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pugh <address@hidden> wrote:

You know what I meant ... you come up with the idea, and you post the
source code!
be proactive, just like you have been with the wiki. ;o)

As to viewers that are already out there, well the source code for
many of them is
available to all who care to look.   Have you downloaded and started on one yet?
Cris, well I'm sure he knows exactly what you want to do with his viewer!

Oh, and ever so coincidentally,  please don't use CAPS, there's a good
chap.  I'm not deaf
you know.  Save that, excitable chap that you are Roger,  for your
mobile phone conversations.

Chris. [ Exeunt Stage Right ]

PS  Way off topic, and verging into the jocular and ribald no less!
Enough List noise I think, yes?  ;o)

2009/1/28 Roger Chinchilla <address@hidden>:
> Why don't I start my own viewer and you recommend me to "copy/reinvent" ones
> that are already out there.....well....thats exactly what I am trying to do
> with Rusu's viewer....HELLO!!
> Roger
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Chris Pugh <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Likely story!  ( Don't you just 'hate' people who are so busy on their
>> mobile phone,
>> that they can't be bothered to communicate properly? )  :o).
>> .. and why don't you start you *own* viewer Roger?  There are so many out
>> there
>> to copy/reinvent!
>> Chris.
>> 2009/1/28 Roger Chinchilla <address@hidden>:
>> > Sorry I was on my mobile phone and forgot to put a (wink) or something.
>> > By
>> > the way the Rusu Viewer is looking really good. Anyone know when it will
>> > be
>> > Open Source?
>> >
>> > Roger
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Chris Pugh <address@hidden>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> *I* didn't.  ( In fact, I'd have been very surprised indeed if you'd
>> >> even tried  doing that! ) But maybe you should have added  a
>> >> qualifier, as in '(tic)' or ';o)' somewhere Roger??
>> >>
>> >> On the contrary, pushing your thunbs firmly up on the base of the brow
>> >> bone under the top of the eye socket ( the
>> >> 'supraorbital foramen' I think ),  is supposed to help with stress and
>> >> relief of migraine.  Just watch they don't slip .. ;o)
>> >>
>> >> Chris.
>> >>
>> >> >2009/1/28 Roger Chinchilla <address@hidden>:
>> >> > I just kidding about the holding the finger to your eyes to make the
>> >> > links
>> >> > pop out. Please don't take it the wrong way.
>> >> >
>> >> > Roger
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Chris Pugh <address@hidden>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I said, links *ARE* buttons.  However, you didn't state you were
>> >> >> using pdf2swf..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The only command that I know of for an on the fly change, is,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   pdf2swf -v -s linkcolor= <RRGGBBAA>  file.pdf  { where linkcolor
>> >> >> value is in Hex ).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> but this only affects the background color of the link itself, on
>> >> >> hover, and is not
>> >> >> permanent   ( option is sort of misleading  really).  Looks like
>> >> >> routine could be
>> >> >> opatched to produce the reverse effect, or else, it's a two stage
>> >> >> process.  Mattias?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2009/1/28 Matt Cline <address@hidden>:
>> >> >> > Hi chris,
>> >> >> > Thank you for your input.  I don't need an example of manipulating
>> >> >> > buttons
>> >> >> > but do need an example of how to include that manipulation for
>> >> >> > every
>> >> >> > link on
>> >> >> > a page during pdf2swf sad generation.
>> >> >> > Thank you
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Chris Pugh <address@hidden>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Matt,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> A link is simply a button made up of text.  Therefore whatever
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> do with the attributes of a button you can also do with a 'link',
>> >> >> >> i.e. change almost everything about it's appearance, and
>> >> >> >> function.
>> >> >> >> Do you need an example?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Incidentally, I hope Roger's post was intended to be well tic.
>> >> >> >>  It
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> reminiscent of that old non-pc joke about how to make a Venitian
>> >> >> >> Blind!  Sooner him than I!! ;o)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chris.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2009/1/27 Roger Chinchilla <address@hidden>:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Only way I know is these specials glasses I saw on amazon.com.
>> >> >> >>> They
>> >> >> >>> are
>> >> >> >>> good
>> >> >> >>> for you when you look at the screen a lot. Another way to make
>> >> >> >>> text
>> >> >> >>> stand
>> >> >> >>> out is, close your eyes, put pressure on it with your index
>> >> >> >>> finger
>> >> >> >>> for
>> >> >> >>> about
>> >> >> >>> 10 seconds, open your eyes and get really close to the screen.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Hope that helps,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Roger
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:26 PM, matt cline <address@hidden>
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Hello, is there a way to highlight links w/o having to hover
>> >> >> >>>> them
>> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >>>> see
>> >> >> >>>> the highlights(so their easier to spot in the swfs)?  Thank
>> >> >> >>>> you.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >


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