Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations

[Jonathan Kulp]

This is a good suggestion, but be sure that what you say is "fingering 
orientation" needs a chord construct, not just "fingering."  One can 
also see examples of successful fingering orientations with single notes 
by clicking on the inspirational header.  I definitely used some in 
that.  I realize it should be *more* obvious, but at least there's some 
help there ;-)  I definitely understand the problem since I had exactly 
the same problem when I was revising this section of the docs and I 
couldn't figure out why the orientations didn't take.  My own notes make 
the same suggestion as Nick, but since the "fingering" part of the 
manual was somewhere else," I wasn't able to add this warning, and I 
don't remember making any examples using orientations in the fretted 
string section (did I?!).  We'll get it cleared up :)

Jon

Nick Payne wrote:
> Trevor

> I think the problem is that all the snippets in s.2.4.1 of the manual
> showing placing of fingering use actual chords as illustrations, and so it
> is not made clear that a single note also requires the chord construct to
> enable placing of the fingering. The same problem exists in the section
> dealing with fingering at
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-fo
> r-fretted-strings#Common-notation-for-fretted-strings - the snippets showing
> placement of fingering use actual chords. Section 2.4.1 of the manual has a
> highlighted pullout indicating that the chordal construction is needed for
> string numbering: "Note: String numbers must be defined inside a chord
> construct even if there is only a single note". I suggest that the section
> on fingering instructions has a similar pullout indicating that the same
> construction is needed for placing the fingering on single notes, and an
> example of such.
>
> Nick
>  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trevor Daniels [mailto:address@hidden
> > Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 19:07
> > To: Nick Payne; address@hidden
> > Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > d_3 puts fingering below the staff, d^3 above the staff and d-3 leaves
> > LilyPond to choose.
> >
> > The section in the manual which you mention says "Fingering
> > instructions may
> > be manually placed above or below the staff, see Direction and
> > placement"
> > and that section tells you how.
> >
> > The \fingeringOrientations command is specifically for chords, that's
> > why it
> > only works for them.  This is perhaps not made crystal clear in the
> > manual,
> > although the heading of the snippet which describes the command is
> > "Controlling the placement of chord fingerings".
> >
> > Now you know, could you suggest how the manual wording might be changed
> > to
> > prevent others having the same difficulty?
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nick Payne" <address@hidden>
> > To: <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:38 AM
> > Subject: RE: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> >
> >
> > > Thanks, that fixes it. But according to the documentation, the single
> > note
> > > chordal construction is only needed for string indications, not for
> > > fingering
> > > (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Inside-
> > the-staff#
> > > Fingering-instructions). So it looks like you can show fingering
> > without
> > > making every fingered note a chord, but if you want the fingering to
> > > display
> > > anywhere except the default location, then it has to have < > around
> > each
> > > fingered note.
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: James E. Bailey [mailto:address@hidden
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:01
> > > > To: Nick Payne
> > > > Cc: address@hidden
> > > > Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> > > >
> > > > I don't know too much about fingerings, but did you try putting each
> > > > note inside a chord?
> > > >
> > > > On 12.10.2008, at 05:50, Nick Payne wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to get my fingering indications below the noteheads
> > using
> > > > > \set
> > > > > fingeringOrientations = #'(down), but they remain resolutely above
> > > > > the beam.
> > > > > I also tried (left) and (right) with no change either. My two bar
> > > > > test input
> > > > > and output are attached. Can anyone tell me why this isn't
> > working?
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > using 2.11.61 on WinXP.
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