RE: Moving guitar fingering orientations

[Nick Payne]

Trevor

I did have a look at the manual section on direction and placement
(http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Direction-and-pla
cement#Direction-and-placement), but didn't find what I was after. I
eventually found the needed instructions by doing a google search of the
lilypond web site:

"\set fingeringOrientations" site:lilypond.org

And the first returned hit showed what I needed:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Within_00
2dstaff-objects

I think the problem is that all the snippets in s.2.4.1 of the manual
showing placing of fingering use actual chords as illustrations, and so it
is not made clear that a single note also requires the chord construct to
enable placing of the fingering. The same problem exists in the section
dealing with fingering at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-fo
r-fretted-strings#Common-notation-for-fretted-strings - the snippets showing
placement of fingering use actual chords. Section 2.4.1 of the manual has a
highlighted pullout indicating that the chordal construction is needed for
string numbering: "Note: String numbers must be defined inside a chord
construct even if there is only a single note". I suggest that the section
on fingering instructions has a similar pullout indicating that the same
construction is needed for placing the fingering on single notes, and an
example of such.

Nick
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevor Daniels [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 19:07
> To: Nick Payne; address@hidden
> Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> 
> Nick
> 
> d_3 puts fingering below the staff, d^3 above the staff and d-3 leaves
> LilyPond to choose.
> 
> The section in the manual which you mention says "Fingering
> instructions may
> be manually placed above or below the staff, see Direction and
> placement"
> and that section tells you how.
> 
> The \fingeringOrientations command is specifically for chords, that's
> why it
> only works for them.  This is perhaps not made crystal clear in the
> manual,
> although the heading of the snippet which describes the command is
> "Controlling the placement of chord fingerings".
> 
> Now you know, could you suggest how the manual wording might be changed
> to
> prevent others having the same difficulty?
> 
> Trevor
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Payne" <address@hidden>
> To: <address@hidden>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> 
> 
> > Thanks, that fixes it. But according to the documentation, the single
> note
> > chordal construction is only needed for string indications, not for
> > fingering
> > (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Inside-
> the-staff#
> > Fingering-instructions). So it looks like you can show fingering
> without
> > making every fingered note a chord, but if you want the fingering to
> > display
> > anywhere except the default location, then it has to have < > around
> each
> > fingered note.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: James E. Bailey [mailto:address@hidden
> >> Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:01
> >> To: Nick Payne
> >> Cc: address@hidden
> >> Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations
> >>
> >> I don't know too much about fingerings, but did you try putting each
> >> note inside a chord?
> >>
> >> On 12.10.2008, at 05:50, Nick Payne wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm trying to get my fingering indications below the noteheads
> using
> >> > \set
> >> > fingeringOrientations = #'(down), but they remain resolutely above
> >> > the beam.
> >> > I also tried (left) and (right) with no change either. My two bar
> >> > test input
> >> > and output are attached. Can anyone tell me why this isn't
> working?
> >> > I'm
> >> > using 2.11.61 on WinXP.
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