Re: [Duplicity-talk] Deprecation of pydrivebackend

[edgar . soldin]

hey Jakob,

On 22.06.2023 13:12, Jakob Bohm via Duplicity-talk wrote:
> Dear Edgar,
>
> See comments inline below
>
>
> On 2023-06-21 16:52, edgar.soldin--- via Duplicity-talk wrote:
> > On 21.06.2023 15:50, Jakob Bohm via Duplicity-talk wrote:
> > > Dear Duplicity team,
> >
> > hey Jakob
> >
> > > For everyone except the few insiders participating in today's
> > > discussion, it is important to ensure that all explanation
> > > texts in manpage etc. do not assume facts not provided where
> > > that text is.
> > >
> > > In particular:
> > >
> > > A. The manpage snippet below refers to "the downloaded JSON", but
> > >    not when and where that download would come from.  If this is
> > >    part of unchanged text above that sentence then fine.
> >
> > feel free to contribute a better documentation. nobody here is getting paid and 
> > everything is done on a voluntary basis.
> That is the standard asshole answer when someone comments on a
> proposed change.  In this case I was pointing out that the text
> (as quoted)contains a dangling pointer to text not in the quote
> and possibly not in the full manpage either.
>
> > > B. Discussions elsewhere seem to assume that everyone using GDrive
> > >    does so via a developer account.  Please update text (without
> > >    unstated assumptions) for ordinary users, including warning if
> > >    this is somehow against Google Policy.
> >
> > which discussions? i don't see Google policy violations, what do you mean 
> > exactly?
> Elsewhere in this thread, look around.

thanks, but no thanks. and again. which Google policy violations _exactly?_

> > > C. Elsewhere William asks for migration instructions and got a
> > >    reply about "If he already did X", which is clearly specific to
> > >    William and not a part of any migration recipe that could be
> > >    used by others once the old URL Scheme is deprecated as indicated
> > >    by the thread subject.
> >
> > obviously the "migration instructions" as such do not exist. that is why he was 
> > referred to what little as documentation is available.
> However, William was clearly asking for such migration instruction to be
> written cooperatively in the mail thread, but was sidetracked by a reply
> entirely specific to William and not to anyone else.  This same thing often
> happens in other public fora, where a prototypical sufferer of a common
> problem is given a reply that only applies to their particular case, then the
> useless reply is marked as a solution for all other sufferers.

however, you complaining but not actually contributing is not helping nobody 
here. what happens often in old roman market places is no concern of mine :))

> > > P.S.
> > >
> > > I happen to be currently using AWS S3 glacier via the boto3 code,
> > > and find similar readability problems in that documentation,
> >
> > same principle applies. if you are dissatisfied you are welcome to be part of a 
> > solution. general complaints will improve nothing.
> I am stating that I am using the S3 situation as inspiration for
> my criticism of theGDrive situation, bug reports and potential
> patches for that may or may not come later.
>
> > > hence this mail about general principles seemingly about to get
> > > similarly mishandled for Google users.
> >
> > and again, please handle it better, if you feel inclined to. we are lacking 
> > human power all over and it unfortunately shows.
> Again I was stating that the AWS S3 situation (which may or may
> not have its own forthcomming discussions) is merely inspiration
> for why I comment on how GDrive users are being treated. It's
> called empathy.

is it? also, i am still at loss what your end-goal is here. so far you did 
neither contribute to duplicity nor to the issue William is facing obviously.

please go ahead, create migration/setup-checklists/howtos and provide them. we will 
happily integrate them into the man page ideally replacing the admittedly insufficient 
documentation so far. apart from that i am not going to validate anymore general 
"Thinks gotta be better" statements.

kind regards ..ede