Re: Swarm on Mac OS X? Anybody?

[Philip Mötteli]

Hi


Thanks for the quick and detailed answer!


Am Samstag, Februar 10, 2001, um 08:12 PM, schrieb Marcus G. Daniels:
> >>>>> "PM" == Philip Mötteli <address@hidden> writes: 
>  
> PM> Has anybody started to port Swarm to MOSX? 
>  
> To review, the main two problems to resolve are: 
>  
>    1) Apple's GCC is broken and normal unbroken GCC doesn't know about 
>       Darwin's Mach-O assembler and linker `features'.

>       As I've mentioned before, I'm so disgusted by what I see as 
>       Apple/NeXT's longstanding indifference to their developer 
>       community and pointless infrastructure weirdness,

I do agree here. I sometimes have the impression, they prefer to replace ObjC 
with Java in order to become standard. But even with Java I have plenty of 
problems.


>       Of course, I'm perfectly willing to install workarounds in Swarm 
>       from individuals that want to deal with it in an end-to-end kind 
>       of way.  I hope you have fun. 

:-)     Thanks. And I will do that very probably (without lots of fun). And I'm 
happy, that there will be a possibility to merge them, so that by time (long 
time...) we will end up with a working version for MOSX.


>    2) Swarm uses Tk/BLT for graphics, so some kind of port of those 
>       libraries is needed, one that can work in a the GCC compiler 
> environment. 

I actually have installed them. Although without shared libraries. And NOT 
tested!


>       This issue can be avoided if you set up a X11 server. 

I do have that.
But when I want to compile swarm now, I have the problem, with those configure 
scripts, who can't deal with the framework wrappers of MOSX. Especially Java, 
which is in a folder "Java.framework", organised as its typic on MOSX is not 
very appreciated by the configure script.


> A related issue for fans of the WebObjects development tools 
> (e.g. InterfaceBuilder) is that Swarm uses the GNU Objective C runtime 
> and Apple has their own from back in the NeXT days. 

That's another problem. Hope we can encapsulate that well.


Phil




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