[Savannah-register-public] [task #3833] Sub mission of Goutte à goutte

[Sylvain Beucler]

Update of task #3833 (project administration):

                Category:        Project Approval => Approved Projects to be
Reviewed
                  Status:               Cancelled => Done                   
             Open/Closed:                  Closed => Open                   

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Follow-up Comment #2:

This is fine.

I thus approve your project. You will receive a mail confirmation shortly.

When you start getting some code ready, feel free to contact us for us to
review it and check for legal issues.

[By the way, the license can be referred as 'GNU GPL', because the General
Public License is part of the GNU project. 'GNU/' is mainly used in
'GNU/Linux' to describe a combination of GNU and Linux (a kernel that is not
part of the GNU project).]

Note that I approved your project as a non-GNU project. In order to evaluate
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course it needs to run under the GNU system.
When those things are ready, write to address@hidden to ask for an
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Last, you may want to post a job at http://savannah.gnu.org/people/
describing what help you are looking for.


On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 08:42:04PM +0100, Frédéric Vasseur wrote:
> Sylvain,
> 
> This is OK for me.
> As my project is a small dice game, I could even provide the rules of the 
> game with no source code and no executable file.
> I then will need someone to make the program, and in that case I will 
> choose the GNU/GPL.
> 
> Do you agree with that ?
> 
> 
> Fred.
> 
> PS : Thank you for your patience !
> 
> 
> >From: Sylvain Beucler <address@hidden>
> >To: Frédéric Vasseur <address@hidden>
> >CC: address@hidden
> >Subject: Re: [task #3833] Submission of Goutte à goutte
> >Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:25:04 +0100
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >We can host your project, if your primary goal is to create a version that

> >works without proprierary dependency or OS, and if Savannah can help you 
> >in this task.
> >
> >If you agree to this commitment, please say so.
> >
> >We could then, for example, review your project again in a month and check

> >the progress done.
> >
> >Please note, by the way, that Savannah is not really French. We provide 
> >French translations of most of the user interface, and I am French, but 
> >the service is located at Boston and involves people from among others USA

> >and Chile.
> >
> >--
> >Sylvain
> >
> >On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 07:35:44PM +0100, Frédéric Vasseur wrote:
> >> Hi, and thank you for your response.
> >>
> >> The main reason why I want this project to be hosted on a free-software
> >> platform is that I want it to be ported to GNU/Linux (and other
systems,
> >> but this one is important for me).
> >> I don't mind the language, so if the port is done in C++ (for example) 
> >it
> >> will be reverse-ported to Windows to have the project written in C++
for
> >> all platforms. Therefore Visual Basic won't be used anymore.
> >>
> >> Regarding the licence, I am completely ready to use the GNU/GPL.
> >>
> >> I think it is quite important to help proprietary OSes users to switch 
> >to
> >> free environments. Keeping this in mind, it would have been interesting

> >for
> >> you to host this kind of service : migrate applications to free OSes.
> >>
> >> Anyway, thank you once more for your response.
> >>
> >> I'll find another way to have my project hosted. Do you know where I 
> >could
> >> achieve that (I'd prefer not going to SourceForgen because this project

> >is
> >> mainly in French and should stay so) ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Fred.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Sylvain Beucler <address@hidden>
> >> >To: Frédéric Vasseur <address@hidden>, Sylvain Beucler
> >> ><address@hidden>, address@hidden
> >> >Subject: [task #3833] Submission of Goutte à goutte
> >> >Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:05:12 +0000
> >> >
> >> >Update of task #3833 (project administration):
> >> >
> >> >         Should Start On:                         => Sat 03/05/2005 at
> >> >00:00
> >> >   Should be Finished on:                         => Sat 03/05/2005 at
> >> >00:00
> >> >                  Status:                    None => Cancelled
> >> >             Assigned to:                    None => Beuc
> >> >             Open/Closed:                    Open => Closed
> >> >
> >> >    _______________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> >Follow-up Comment #1:
> >> >
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >I'm evaluating the project you submitted for approval in Savannah.
> >> >
> >> >(English is the only language that the whole Savannah team understand 
> >and
> >> >needed for transparency and archival. I will therefore reply in 
> >English,
> >> >although you can send me a private mail in French for precisions)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The first problem is that your project relies on proprietary 
> >technlogies,
> >> >Visual Basic and the .Net Framework.
> >> >
> >> >It cannot be hosted on Savannah in its current state for this reason.
> >> >
> >> >Savannah is willing to provide resources and time to developers
writing
> >> >Free
> >> >Software that can be used without the need to ask permission from
> >> >proprietary
> >> >software vendor.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The second problem is portability.
> >> >
> >> >First, we only host projects that can run on a free operating system 
> >(such
> >> >as
> >> >GNU/Linux).
> >> >
> >> >(Incidentally, "Linux" is just a kernel of a more complex system that 
> >we
> >> >like
> >> >to refer to as GNU/Linux, to emphasize the ideals of the Free Software
> >> >movement. For more information, see
> >> >http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.)
> >> >
> >> >We have adopted this policy because now that completely free operating
> >> >systems exist, we do not want to encourage users of those systems to 
> >start
> >> >using proprietary operating systems so that they can use your program.
> >> >
> >> >If you are willing to maintain a version for free operating systems, 
> >which
> >> >work as well as or better than other ports, you can then provide 
> >versions
> >> >for
> >> >non-free systems as well.  The idea is that at no point should 
> >only-free
> >> >users
> >> >be at a disadvantage compared to users of proprietary software.
> >> >
> >> >Your project should always work equally well in free systems as in any
> >> >other
> >> >version you provide; if you have some modules for non-free systems, you

> >can
> >> >delay their release until you have released the free operating system
> >> >version.
> >> >
> >> >Moreover, the fact you use Visual Basic makes it nearly impossible to 
> >make
> >> >a
> >> >port to GNU/Linux. Visual Basic is meant to be used only for MS 
> >Windows, no
> >> >matter how you code with it, and there is no free replacement for it 
> >that
> >> >could be ported to GNU/Linux (although there are .Net framework free
> >> >replacements, such as DotGNU and Mono, there is no ways to compile VB 
> >under
> >> >GNU/Linux). The only thing that could happen is rather a complete 
> >rewrite
> >> >for
> >> >GNU/Linux, making it a double effort to maintain the application
> >> >eventually.
> >> >
> >> >From my experience, I also can tell that Visual Basic is so much 
> >unportable
> >> >that usually you could not even take a VB4, 5 or 6 application and use

> >it
> >> >in
> >> >any other version of VB.
> >> >
> >> >It is better, especially when starting a new development, to use free,
> >> >non-proprietary technologies from the start, even if you are not 
> >familiar
> >> >with them yet - it will save time after.
> >> >
> >> >Free software development environments do exist.
> >> >"Glade" is a graphical environment to build applications that works 
> >with
> >> >the
> >> >"Gtk+" graphical toolkit. Glade can only be used under GNU/Linux, but
> >> >applications created with it, such as Gaim (gaim.sf.net), run under 
> >both
> >> >GNU/Linux and MS Windows. Gtk+ is meant to be used with the C 
> >programming
> >> >languages, but can be used by other more higher level languages such
as
> >> >Python.
> >> >
> >> >wxWindows is another portable graphical toolkit, although I'm not sure

> >it
> >> >has
> >> >a GUI builder.
> >> >
> >> >I am not an expert on GUI builders, so maybe you should ask on forums 
> >to
> >> >get
> >> >more advices on free software portable GUI builders.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Last, there are also some problems with your license.
> >> >
> >> >The most important issue in your license is that it doesn't allow
> >> >commercial
> >> >use. Check http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Commercial

> >and
> >> >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html for more information.
> >> >
> >> >It is almost always better to use an existing license, than to write 
> >your
> >> >own. By using your own license, you take the risk to run into legal 
> >issues,
> >> >whereas exsisting where written or validated by lawyers.
> >> >
> >> >Your license is also in French. For a project distributed on the 
> >Internet,
> >> >it
> >> >makes sense to write a license in English. If think you do need a 
> >license
> >> >written in French, you may want to have a look at the CeCILL license, 
> >which
> >> >was written to be conform to the French laws, and is compatible with 
> >the
> >> >GNU
> >> >GPL.
> >> >
> >> >Requiring to provide a binary along with any distribution of the
source
> >> >code
> >> >can be inconvenient as well.
> >> >
> >> >There is also some details about sections that cannot be modified in 
> >the
> >> >documentation. In this case, we recommand to give the documentation a
> >> >special
> >> >license, such as the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). This is not

> >a
> >> >free
> >> >software license, is incompatible with the GNU GPL, but is perfectly ok

> >for
> >> >free documentation. Among others, it offers to declare invariants
> >> >non-technical sections. Check 
> >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#FDL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So we cannot host your project at Savannah for now. If however you can

> >base
> >> >your project on free portable technologies and switch to existing 
> >licenses
> >> >such as the GNU GPL or any GPL-compatible licenses such as the GNU LGPL

> >or
> >> >the Expat license, then please resubmit your project and we will 
> >reconsider
> >> >it for inclusion at Savannah.
> >> >
> >> >Regards.


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