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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...


From: Ioannis Dimitriadis
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:23:51 +0300

Among other stated goals in Riseup’s Purpose -
https://riseup.net/en/about-us

-We promote social ownership and democratic control over information,
ideas, technology, and the means of communication.
-We empower organizations and individuals to use technology in struggles
for liberation. We work to support each other in overcoming the systemic
oppression embedded in the use and development of technology.

Also, in: https://riseup.net/en/about-us/projects

Software Libre
Our laboratory, Riseup Labs, actively contributes to the Free Software
movement, Free Software (or Software Libre) is part of a digital commons
for all to use.

Our contributions to Software Libre include:
-Privacy and security patches - labs.riseup.net/code/projects/privacy
-Crabgrass
-Backupninja
-monkeysphere
-puppet
-debian grimoire - https://we.riseup.net/debian

Check out the page of Riseup Labs: http://riseuplabs.org/

Code: https://labs.riseup.net/code (AGPL & GPL)


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>    1. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Alexander Berntsen)
>    2. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Tyler Romeo)
>    3. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Alexander Berntsen)
>    4. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Pen-Yuan Hsing)
>    5. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Serge Hooge)
>    6. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Tyler Romeo)
>    7. Re: RiseUp needs our help... (Dave Rolek)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:07:20 +0200
> From: Alexander Berntsen <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...
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> Is their server software AGPL or otherwise free software?
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> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 12:32:53 -0400
> From: Tyler Romeo <address@hidden>
> To: Alexander Berntsen <address@hidden>
> Cc: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...
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> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Alexander Berntsen <address@hidden>
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>> Is their server software AGPL or otherwise free software?
> 
> 
> Their help website is CC-NC-SA, which is non-free in terms of free culture.
> As for their software, I don't see anything on their GitHub or GitLab
> accounts, nor on the webpages for the actual services, that lists a
> license. So I'm presuming proprietary.
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> *-- *
> Regards,
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> *Tyler Romeo*
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> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:34:58 +0200
> From: Alexander Berntsen <address@hidden>
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> Right. So how is it OK to use this ML to beg for money to non-free
> software and culture? I don't think it should be.
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> - -- 
> Alexander
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> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:37:09 +0100
> From: Pen-Yuan Hsing <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...
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> On 2016-09-06 17:34, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
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>> Right. So how is it OK to use this ML to beg for money to non-free
>> software and culture? I don't think it should be.
> 
> Sounds like we're just not sure. So maybe before we rush to judgement, this 
> can be an opportunity to ask RiseUp if their set up is freedom respecting. In 
> fact, this might even be an opportunity to encourage them to switch to free 
> software if they are not already using it?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 13:04:52 -0400
> From: Serge Hooge <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] RiseUp needs our help...
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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>> Their help website is CC-NC-SA, which is non-free in terms of free
>> culture.
> But GNU.org and FSF.org use CC-ND, which is also non-free in terms of
> "free culture", so I am not sure that's a great argument.
> 
> Source code, however, I am not sure about indeed.
> This[1] is all I managed to find.
> 
> Perhaps a message to the admins would be in order?
> 
> [1] http://riseuplabs.org/
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