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Re: Web Design

From: Kendall Shaw
Subject: Re: Web Design
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:04:52 -0800
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On 12/29/2017 05:47 PM, M. R.P. wrote:
what gnu tools are their for web design?

One more post then I'm done. So, I will take "gnu tools" to mean something like open source tools... If you are like trying to settle a bet about what is available with GNU and FSF, then essentially Linux and emacs.

For web design:

If design is like graphics design and a program you move images around and put text together, that was something that existed in the 90s when more people had personal web sites (before facebook).

Back then, graphic artists would use tools like that for "cool" websites while programmers using perl etc. would make website for corporations where it was less important how the website looks. That has largely changed.

If that is what you are after, I suggesting looking at wordpress as has been mentioned. With that you get essentially the same thing but on the web with all sorts of thorny issues taken care of for you, like security.

Also, that way you could start at the personal web site stage and if you wanted to, you could grow into being a developer say for other people's sites, gradually.

For graphics GIMP and Inkscape come to mind. Inkscape for making vector graphics can be important.

For web development (programming):

Because emacs has new life with scala and clojure coming into broader public awareness, if you are not aware of it there is incredibly good support for web development in scala and clojure.

For example, here is someone demonstrating interactive web site development using emacs and a web browser's debugging api:

The demonstration is something like a game, but the same idea applies to other sorts of web development.

All of the major browsers have debugging protocols that allow tools to interface with the browser.

Similar phenomena where emacs is being taken seriously: Typescript, microsoft's language, has emacs support promoted by that language group. TideĀ  is the typescript development environment in emacs.

Generally, "modern web development' is heavily based on command line tools. In other words, command-line tools and unixish text editors are the mainstream tools.

The reason why that work is because people develop using "frameworks" which are not a program but an extensible set of tools independent of a vendor. So, the person using vim and the command line for everything uses the same tools as the person doing everything in Visual Studio. If this is new to you, you might want to look at the angular tutorial here:

That demonstrates how modular pieces of web applications are in common use.

Usually, everything is free and in github.

Visual Studio., not gnu but freeish and available on linux.

You could also look at Foundation which is an example of a framework that can fit within other frameworks and it's mostly about styles:

Also, ruby on rails: That is one of the major developments that changed the way most web development is done

Jekyyl which is based on using Markdown as the source for web pages:

Python and pyramid:

The phrase "full stack" alludes to the trend toward modular software fitting into frameworks is common.


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