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Re: Emacs and Gud
Re: Emacs and Gud
Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:54:45 +0200
Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux)
Quoth Chris Gordon-Smith <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> Thanks for your comments. Regarding IDEs such as Eclipse, I have been using
> KDevelop for several years. I have found it very good, but want to try
> Emacs. Reasons for this include:-
> * I want to take control of the Build / Make process. IDEs like KDevelop
> and Eclipse tend to do this for you. That is very useful, but I now
> need to control it myself. (I am using Makefiles to enforce
> separation of subsystems by using CFLAGS to determine which include
> files a subsystem has access to.)
> * More generally I want to get closer to the Linux programming
> environment. Again, an IDE tends to shield one from this
> * I want to understand why Emacs has such a legendary reputation!
Because it's simply the most universally useful program ever written.
> So far I have been pleasantly surprised by Emacs. One thing I like is the
> ability to switch easily between buffers.
Have you discovered iswitchb-mode yet? You won't look back.
> KDevelop opens up all of the files for a project, which makes
> switching more difficult since so many files are open. In practice you
> have to go via the code browser each time.
> I see a code browser as essential, and would not consider using Emacs
> without something like ECB. Now that I also have GDB working (although with
> the minor drawback that if I want its full functionality I have to
> deactivate ECB), I have a good development environment based on Emacs.
> Its taking a while to get used to the editing style, but there are a number
> of aspects I like. I seem to be able to get more on a screen, and I like
> the fact that everything is configurable.
Yup... that's Emacs for you.
> For example, I have configured Emacs to disregard mouse wheel clicks
> within 0.5 seconds of scrolling. This means that I don't accidentally
> paste (yank) text into a file while scrolling. This is very annoying
> in KDevelop.
> Perhaps I will go back to KDevelop one day,
Na.... not once you've glimpsed the beauty of the unerlying simplicity
(and power) of Emacs :-)
> or perhaps not. For the moment I am enjoying using Emacs and getting
> to know the powerful features that it has.
Keep going. Your investment _will_ mature in the most pleasing way
> I have also tried Eclipse / CDE. It looks good, but as mentioned above, I
> want to get away (at least for a while) from an environment that tends to
> shield one from the underlying operating system and programming
> environment. I want to get 'close to the bare metal'.
> One other thing about Emacs; by comparison with KDevelop and Eclipse its
> more responsive.
I'm not surprised to hear that. I only ever use a mouse for browsing,
so I run emacs22-nox in gnome-terminal. The emacs22-nox executable file
is just 4.9 Mb and the contents of /usr/share/emacs and
/usr/share/emacs22 combined is just 75.4 Mb, so we're talking ~80 Mb all
in. I wonder how that compares with Eclipse and friends?
> One thing with Emacs I want to look at is syntax highlighting. Its
> working, but I haven't yet figured out how to control all of the
No one seems to have said it so I will... on behalf of the list, thanks
for what sounds to me like the beginnings of a ringing endorsement of