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Re: (Really) Free Software future
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Paul Smith |
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Re: (Really) Free Software future |
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Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:11:38 -0400 |
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On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
> > For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
> > using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers
> > to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME
> > and systemd are certainly not lock-in.
>
> I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design
> you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source
> code to support systemd (or you will face something like this -
> https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions).
It's not lock-in because you don't have to use systemd. You can take a
system that currently uses systemd and you can remove it and replace it
with something else. It may be more or less effort, depending, but you
_can_ do it, without violating licenses or losing access to any of your
personal data.
If you consider systemd "lock-in" then you *must* consider something
like GNU libc "lock-in"; it's far more difficult to replace your libc
than it is to switch away from systemd!
> Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires
> systemd to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ?
No, because you don't need to run GNOME. You can't consider software
"lock-in" just because it requires some other software, as long as you
don't have to use either one. And you can't consider some software
non-free just because it requires other free software: a large majority
of free programs out there rely on some other free libraries for
example.
Anyway, as I said this thread should be moved to gnu-misc-discuss.
- Re: (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, ..., (continued)
- Re: (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, ..., Paul Smith, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Jesse Gibbons, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Paul Smith, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Jesse Gibbons, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Stefan Huchler, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd, Dmitry Alexandrov, 2019/10/19
- Re: (Really) Free Software future,
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- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Richard Stallman, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2019/10/15
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- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2019/10/16
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- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Richard Stallman, 2019/10/17
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Ricardo Wurmus, 2019/10/15
Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew, Jean Louis, 2019/10/12