Re: (Really) Free Software future

[marinus.savoritias]

I agree completely about Systemd. Corporate interests are too controling over 
it.
I don't know how we could remove elogind and eudev and the likes. GNOME doesn't 
seem to eager to even consider the forks, let alone an alternative 
implementation that Systemd.

Free Software should be community developed. There is no problem for companies 
to contribute but they absolutely should not be the the driven factor. 
Otherwise we have an hostile solution to forks like Systemd.

Fannys

Oct 15, 2019, 21:56 by address@hidden:

> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 22:41 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
>>
>> If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in.  But it
>> isn't _vendor_ lock-in.  systemD, like most free software packages,
>> is not tied to any particular vendor.  Indeed, the usual concept of
>> "vendor" for free software is not applicable to free software at all.
>>
>
> Sorry Richard, but it is really a vendor lock-in. As you know there is
> only one _upstream_ of systemd and that upstream is a company. Systemd
> software is developed by that company, and as you also know is that
> contributions, patches and bug reports coming from outside that company
> are frown upon. People reporting issues are even met with hostility.
>
> In case you have counterexamples of the above, please give links,
> please!
>
> Additionally, software system distributors, like Debian, are fully in
> the hands of the upstream. They are merely users of systemd, trying to
> tweak the code to create distributions.
>
> I know that there are partial forks of systemd like eudev and elogind,
> but such forks should not be needed if upstream created and documented
> libraries and APIs so that third-party people could adopt and
> contribute their (maybe complementary) software too. But that is not
> happening, because if upstream would do that they'd loose their market
> advantage.
>
> In conclusion: systemd is a _vendor_ lock-in. Fortunately Guix/Shepherd
> are not (yet??) using systemd, but they use e.g. eudev and elogind.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>