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Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters
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David Kastrup |
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Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters |
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07 May 2004 10:55:16 +0200 |
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darkred@myway.com (Snuffelluffogus) writes:
> Rui Miguel Seabra <rms@1407.org> wrote in message
> news:<mailman.3729.1083861389.1061.gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org>...
> > On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 08:24 -0700, Snuffelluffogus wrote:
> > > > It is unethical for me to help a little old lady across a busy road
> > > > without demanding she pay for the service?
> > >
> > > Helping little old ladies across the street is not a PROFESSION
> > > that requires YEARS of EXPENSIVE TRAINING, you idiot.
> >
> > You don't specifically train to be a programmer or a system
> > administrator. You learn the basics, and experience improves.
>
> I have seen much code written by self-taught programmers.
> It most sucks.
>
> Writing computer code should be left to engineers.
You are cute in your naivety. For your record, I am a self-taught
programmer. I assembled my own computers myself, I wrote their BIOS
and other firmware, I wrote compilers, runtime systems, assembled and
designed the hardware. I still can recite most of the clock cycles
taken for various assembly language instructions from processors I
used by heart. I acquired fluency in probably a dozen computer
languages, before getting any formal education. Any curriculum that
would enforce the skills I have acquired would be thrown out: no
chance for people to learn all that in the course of an education.
The computer code written by my engineer coeds sucked in comparison to
what I wrote. Small wonder: engineers are not trained to be
programmers.
However, I also replaced code written, maintained and "optimized" by
computer scientists with a complete education by my own code because I
was not able to understand their stuff, particularly after
"optimization". Their optimization cut a mapping problem from several
days of runtime (medium size maps) down to about one day. That was
code by computer scientists, so I knew the problem was not easy. I
designed my code very carefully for that reason. After the initial
bugs were out, I still had the problem that the program quit after
running just for over a minute. I debugged for hours until I finally
got the clue to compare the results. They were correct.
Don't talk to me about the inferiority of self-taught programmers as
opposed to professionals with an "education". A few years of
education can't make up for skills acquired and honed over decades.
At best, they can supplement them.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, (continued)
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- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Snuffelluffogus, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Russ Allbery, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Sam Holden, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Russ Allbery, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Snuffelluffogus, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, David Kastrup, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Snuffelluffogus, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters,
David Kastrup <=
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Klaus von der Heyde, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, David Kastrup, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Bernd Jendrissek, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Kenneth P. Turvey, 2004/05/07
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Rui Miguel Seabra, 2004/05/05
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Per Abrahamsen, 2004/05/05
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Snuffelluffogus, 2004/05/05
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Bernd Jendrissek, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, Snuffelluffogus, 2004/05/06
- Re: FSF : lackeys of their corporate masters, David Kastrup, 2004/05/06