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From: | Thomas Lord |
Subject: | Re: [Gnu-arch-users] GNU Arch wiki being moved |
Date: | Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:47:30 -0700 |
User-agent: | Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060313) |
Thank you David. Your correction is quite welcome and the historic details are accurate, I think. So good job. I apologize, partially, for blaming Canonical. Canonical's acquisition of the domain name and custody of the wiki content was an opportunity for Canonical to revisit policy and move to implement needed corrections. In that limited sense I think that Canonical is still culpable. This is a much weaker claim than the complaint you, David, are replying to. Let's be absolutely clear, though, that the problem was not created in the first place by Canonical and that my initial claim -- though made in good faith -- was simply wrong. I don't mean to be obsequious or to overlook what I personally consider to be Canonical's "sins" but -- to atone for my sin of getting history wrong -- let me say that I don't think Canonical is completely evil and that I do think they may be and can be doing some good in the world. By all reports, Ubuntu is at least pretty good and pretty interesting. Their business model -- while not as primed for profit making as I think it could be -- does seem to honor software freedom (better even, than some competing commercial distros, IMO). I am personally very frustrated with them because I think their employees (agents) pretty much screwed me at very points and because I thought the offer Mark once made to me was pretty shoddy. Seeing something, like Canonical, that is potentially very good -- I get pissed off when that thing screws up in ways that I think are completely avoidable. But -- Canonical is interesting, *potentially* progressive, and may add up to some good in the world. Thank you, again, David, -t David Allouche wrote: Thomas Lord wrote:The V2-only wiki status is unfortunate and I'd add it to the list of what I think are Canonical's gratuitous `screw you' behavior visited upon the GNU Arch project.You would be mistaken. The GPLv2 policy of the wiki was set by James Blackwell, well before he ever heard of Canonical. We argued the licensing on IRC and the discussion ended as he said essentially "I'm hosting this wiki on my machine out my pocket money, I get to choose the license". The initial wiki announcement: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-arch-users/2004-01/msg00256.html At this point, there was no Canonical (by this name or any other). The message where James reaffirmed GPLv2-only licensing: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-arch-users/2004-03/msg00327.html James Blackwell was initially contacted by Canonical in August 2004. QED, Canonical had exactly zero influence on this licensing policy. People who have been around and paying attention long enough know that you had interpersonal issues with James, predating his involvement with Canonical by a long stretch. Attributing these issues to the company is amalgamation. |
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