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Re: Look and Feel


From: Jesse Ross
Subject: Re: Look and Feel
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:23:46 -0600


On Feb 10, 2005, at 11:54 PM, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:


On 10 Feb 2005, at 23:33, Raphael Bosshard wrote:

Jeremy Tregunna wrote:


On 10-Feb-05, at 2:29 PM, Raphael Bosshard wrote:
[snip]

First of all; I would welcome a new icon theme, as I would a new default look. I like the OpenStep-Framework and enjoy programming in Objectiv-C. But it just makes no fun if your applications look like time-warped from the 80ies.


They're not that bad.

No, they are not. I'm exaggerating. But truth is that I don't see any differences between the GNUStep version (it was 0.2 something I think) that was shipped with my first GNU/Linux CD back in '97. Back than, the focus was to recreate OPENStep for Linux. But a lot of things have changed since.

I know that GNUStep has the ability to use themes. But what I am talking about it the default theme. NO matter how may themes there are; the first impression is always the default theme. And the current theme is not very impressive.

Having used both NeXTstep and MacOS-X (which I use daily), I can confidently say that for me the NeXTstep theme is more usable (better to sit in front of and work with all day) and far better than windows-xp (which I'm also forced to use occasionally).

That's why I strongly want the standard/default GNUstep look and feel to be *very* close
to the old NeXTstep one.

That being said, I take the point about it not being particularly eye-catching. While eye-catching looks do not generally make for great usability, the initial impression
they make can attract people to the project.

So ... why not aim for two basic looks so that themability is easily demonstrated by showing screenshots of them side by side. One you can 'use all day' and the other with which you can 'impress your friends' :-)

I think that would be better than trying to produce lots of different themes.



I think that's the current goal -- there will be two pre-installed looks for GNUstep. One, which we're calling Classic, will be a pretty close estimation of the current GUI, something along the lines of < http://www.roard.com/camaelon/ >. The other, currently called Modern, will be the new default and will be an attempt to modernize and polish the look of GNUstep. They should provide similar functionality and desktop components.

The look of Modern is yet to be defined, but I've been working on some comps, as I know a few others have. We will probably hold a competition, then vote to decide on the winner. The competition is still in the wings and we have a lot of preliminary work to do to get ready for that (like get a clear definition of the HIG, make sure Dock.app and Wmaker.app are ready to go, etc.).

There will inevitably be many more themes as other artists get involved in the project, but these are to be the two "official" themes.

J.





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