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Re: [O] Using orgmode to take "inline notes" for research

From: John Hendy
Subject: Re: [O] Using orgmode to take "inline notes" for research
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:47:08 -0500

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:33 AM, John Hendy <address@hidden> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Jeff Horn <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Have you tried using org-inline-task without a TODO keyword? These
>> super-deep "headlines" aren't treated as headlines, so they don't
>> break doc structure, but they are foldable, and unlike COMMENT keyword
>> headlines, they're printable.


> Yeah, this might be the ticket. Really liking it so far.
> So... if I were just interested in my notes (say I wanted to just push
> the notes to my blog or share them without all the other text), it
> might get odd to see all of those headlines. Can one export just the
> text and hide the headline text altogether? And would this also create
> the appearance of simply paragraphs one after the other, or would
> there be some increased spacing between different chunks?

One other suggestion on this (calling Samuel Wales) -- what if I could
get my notes at the top of the document (somehow) if I'd like to just
read though the notes, but use these "bidirectional markers" to jump
back and forth if there's ever confusion about what, exactly, I was
writing about?

I think that would be really slick. Some of this is for study, so I
could see this being quite useful -- read through what you thought was
important at the time, and if you need a refresher on the actual
contents, click the link to "teleport" to the original text (and then
teleport back)?


> Lastly, it would be fantastic to have a "toggle" on the style used for
> export of these. I would love to be able to have the inline notes
> perhaps indented a little bit, but when exporting them alone, to turn
> that off.
> That's a lot of requests! I think as-is, I could already make this
> work pretty darn well. I was aware of these, but was thinking they
> were just for tasks and headlines, not able to contain text.
> Thanks for the suggestion!
> John
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, John Hendy <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately,
>>> there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am
>>> about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea
>>> to yank them into org for "inline notes."
>>> My current experiment has been:
>>> - wget the website page
>>> - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff
>>> converted (<i> & </i> -> /, &quote; -> ", etc.)
>>> - turn things into headlines where applicable
>>> - manually tweak the rest
>>> What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and
>>> would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand,
>>> I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a
>>> series of articles, my file might look like this:
>>> ,---
>>> | * Article 1
>>> | ** Notes on article 1
>>> | * Article 2
>>> | ** Notes on article 2
>>> `---
>>> One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my
>>> notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it
>>> would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to
>>> turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:.
>>> Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article.
>>> On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it
>>> as advantageous to have something like:
>>> ,---
>>> | * Article 1
>>> | It goes along and says x, y, and z.
>>> | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts.
>>> |
>>> | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments
>>> are interjected whenever I want.
>>> `---
>>> I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get
>>> to see an "annotated" version with my thoughts at the time I read it.
>>> What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article
>>> and the notes separately if I want.
>>> Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of
>>> both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included:
>>> - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another,
>>> but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there
>>> will definitely be plenty of.
>>> - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow
>>> to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be
>>> cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from
>>> the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off
>>> when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link
>>> if I don't export my notes as well.
>>> Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have
>>> others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy,
>>> I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I
>>> could just keep two copies, though?
>>> I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't
>>> doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already.
>>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>> John
>> --
>> Jeffrey Horn
>> http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/

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