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Re: [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005
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Jim C. Brown |
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Re: [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005 |
Date: |
Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:26:29 -0500 |
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:42:39AM +0100, James Mastros wrote:
> Jim C. Brown wrote:
> >1) There are those that use qemu without giving Fabrice any money or credit
> >(such as iEmulator). This is best resolved by legal action, but it may be
> >difficult for a single person to fight against an entire company,
> >financial-wise.
> If this is the reason, and I think it is part of it, then it is a bad
> reason.
>
> a) iEmulator wouldn't use kqemu anyway. kqemu is for running
> x86-on-x86. iEmulator is for x86-on-PowerPC. Thus, the iEmulator
> people aren't loosing anything.
But they are using qemu. If qemu was closed source, then iEmulator wouldn't have
been able to do that.
>
> b) A far more effective way would be to first verify that they are
> actually breaking the GPL -- when you purchase iEmulator, do they give
> you a copy of the qemu source with it? Are you given all rights to the
> qemu source you get as you would under the GPL? Do they link code
> licensed GPL-incompatabiliy with qemu code?
Of course qemu isnt under the GPL at all, so that is impossible. Only qemu-user
code uses the GPL license, and that is probably due to the fact that it uses
linux kernel code.
qemu system emulation is under the BSD license iirc.
>
> If iEmulator is not breaking the GPL, then put the code into the qemu
> CVS. If they are, then start making quiet threats. If they don't open
> up, then talk to GNU, http://www.softwarefreedom.org/. If they still
> don't, then it's time to make loud threats -- post to /., etc.
>
> Don't punish everybody because a few folks aren't playing by the rules.
I agree, but the main problem would be legal. If you can't get the courts
to side with you, then you're sunk.
>
> >2) Fabrice wants to hold on to the source in order to make revenue from it
> >in
> >the future.
> This is really a much more reasonable position, but if this is his
> position, he should probably state what it would take to open the
> current source for kqemu, and set up a way to take donations for the
> fund. If he gets to his target, then do it again when he's ready to
> make the next big leap forward -- assuming, that is, that it isn't based
> upon GPL code from other parties. (There's nothing illegal about basing
> it on your own GPL'd code.)
Presumably he's going to sell kqemu, and he is using this as a test run before
he tries to sell the code to the big companies and get the megabucks. (At least
that is what I would do.)
>
> Since he hasn't responded to any of the several attempts to give him
> money, I rather doubt money is his primary concern, but rather respect
> and credit, which I can certainly understand -- but making kqemu
> closed-source isn't a good way to cause this to happen.
>
> Despite this, I will probably be making several code contributions to
> qemu in the nearish future. (PC speaker support, and possibly faster
> graphics code.) I probably won't be contributing money, as it's rather
> tight for me -- sorry, Fabrice.
>
> -=- James Mastros
>
--
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