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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi Apogee 1.0 for sale

From: Markus Bina
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi Apogee 1.0 for sale
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:35:10 +0200
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Hi all!

My 2 cents:
  If you know where to get which hardware (boards, parts, connectors, etc.) please
  "write that down" on this page:
  Please, refrain from defacing your competitors entry.
  Please, refrain from advertising shops and/or hardware from a certain supplier on the mailinglist.
  I personally find advertising on a mailinglist very annoying!
  Warnings (including evidence and problem reports) on low quality suppliers on the maillist are however welcome, *if you ask me*.

Cheers, Markus

On 2013-10-08 02:20, AFISH wrote:
Price are really different, of course quality can be different too. But as I know some dealer get cheap board from china and sell from shop in hongkong or USA with more than double price, you guys still can not identify that easy. At least Chinese give another option. 

One seller said he made the board by reflow soldering, not SMT, that is the reason can reduce the cost, but as he said he verified each board.

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM, David Conger <address@hidden> wrote:

" I see this...long time @ taobao..."
...and you are only now sharing with us all :) 
Thinking big picture some people just one care about price. For them this is perfect. Really it is truly very very expensive to machine assemble the whole thing 100%. Some assembly in China is very good. They just always seem to look for a way to substitute lower quality parts out without telling you. I mean if you send BOM there and tell them those are the parts likely you will not get those exact parts used. Lower quality and sometimes completely faulty chips are substituted without anyone asking or telling you. You expect and pay for one thing but get another. Very frustrating.  

On Oct 07, 2013, at 04:23 PM, Eduardo lavratti <address@hidden> wrote:

I see this LOW COST boards long time @ taobao (lisa/M and umarin) but i will never order from this store.

Even in the pictures i can see the low quality of board assembly.
Some time it come without some connectors.

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CC: address@hidden
From: address@hidden
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:56:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi Apogee 1.0 for sale


Rather than advertise here on the Paparazzi developers email list it is more appropriate to place your company URL and links on the Get Hardware page here:

It maybe important to note (all) that these very low cost versions are using inexpensive versions of the specified parts for the inductors, crystals and other ICs. This does lower the cost of the BOM. 

I can source them also from and offer them for 160.00 at I will be sure to note they are not using the same parts as the 299.00 versions so it is undetermined if they will have the same reliability or even work properly. I will also continue to make the ones I have assembled in the USA available. Those use the exact parts specified in the BOM but cost more. 

I welcome you Ralph, there is plenty of demand for Paparazzi to have many vendors. I write this to just let you know about the Get Hardware link and mention the bit about being more transparent if you deviate from the BOM spec parts. The BOM is very clear which parts to use for a good reason (so people assembling them use those parts). 

PS: it is also not a good idea to use images from the Wiki on your web store to advertise without asking permission from the owner. Take your own photos and show your customers what they are actually buying. 

Best regards,
David Conger / 

On Oct 06, 2013, at 09:37 PM, Ralph Wu <address@hidden> wrote:

To all developers,

I am from Droneasy Inc., I am selling Paparazzi Apogee 1.0 on my webshop.

You can have more information at following link.

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