Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?

[Karen Lewellen]

You would be incorrect, at least based on both what  google staff have 
told me personally, and the public.
In October 2018, a senior staff member at google stated that  since only 
crooks  turned off JavaScript, Google was starting to use their own 
proprietary  edition which among other things is supposed to detect the 
presence  of adaptive technology for recaptcha,  and track  specifics 
about your account 
access .  i can share  the link to that article, or  you  can likely find 
the   reference   by doing a search for the term "google will not let you 
log into your account without JavaScript."
Additionally, when I first discovered that some Linux  associated 
browsers, Links and Elinks, which can be compiled with a form of 
JavaScript, but which no longer work to log into gmail, I was told by 
Thomas, a member of 
Google's accessibility team, that these browsers did not use the "right 
kind" of JavaScript.  In short, the development Google is now using to 
track  users more directly.
Some of the articles I find speak of a more  open source form of 
JavaScript, which some Linux developers  use, but which now Google will 
not permit.  in short Google is defining JavaScript in such a way so as to 
allow  only their  tracking features  to function so to speak.
I  am going to likely use the wrong term for this design concept, but 
Google's new idea of JavaScript also  goes against the concept of 
progressive development, where  a site builds upon  HTML,  so that more 
tools can reach and utilize site services.
Granted, I still have a post from the google accessibility team where a 
member  claimed that  a person should not expect to use the same adaptive 
tools they could before.
Given how often adaptive technology serves as a substitute for a persons 
hands,  or brain, or eyes, that attitude seems disturbing.
Still Google is choosing to  define things different from industry 
standard.  Otherwise  a greater degree of progressive development would 
be in place now.
Oh, and if a current discussion on the Google accessibility list is 
correct, come January, even Jaws will no longer be supported, with Google 
requiring you to use  their voice box software.
So much for Google mirroring the  industry standard.
 Just my thoughts,

 Karen


On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, David Woolley wrote:

> On 09/11/2019 04:00, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >  The thing is that roads seem to lead to the service log in page which
> >  rejects that which does not match?? google's concept of JavaScript.
>
> Although Javascript is loose terminology, which only really applies to the 
> early Netscape implementation, I doubt that Google's concept of Javascript 
> differs from the current industry understanding of it.
>
> Javascript is a combination of a programming language and object models for 
> both the browser and the document.  Lynx definitely could not fully implement 
> the last of these, as it's internal model of the document is fundamentally 
> different from the model that the current HTML standards imply.  However, I 
> imagine your problem is more with the browser model.
>
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