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Re: lynx-dev Is this List for Lynx users or *just* developers

From: Duke Normandin
Subject: Re: lynx-dev Is this List for Lynx users or *just* developers
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:46:40 -0600
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On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:18:22PM +0500, Vlad Harchev wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Duke Normandin wrote:
>  Hi, 
> > > 
> > > Make use of something like Acrobat PDF, Flash, etc. if you want exact
> > > control.  Otherwise, people who have to have java/javascript/etc. turned
> > > off, who are not permitted to make use of plugins, etc. are not going
> > > to be able to see the page the way you want anyways.
> > 
> > I don't use Javascript, plugins or anything else specifically to make
> > sure that the pages can be rendered by all browsers. For me to ask about
> > why Lynx does not support the 'width' element in <td> correctly isn't
> > out-of-line, IMO. Were I a programmer, I would sure as hell be working on
> > this myself, if only to make Lynx friendly with other browsers and web
> > developers -- regardless of _how_ <table> would/is used by these same
> > developers. Perhaps there would be no 'Links' and 'w3m' had this been the
> > case.
> > 
> > Right or wrong, HTML _is_ used, to varying degrees, for layout -- it's a
> > fact of life. Excessive use for layout _is_ inefficient and should not be
> > used that way -- there are better tools. But a simple layout like:
> > 
> > Prev                  Home                      Up                   Next
> > Page1                                                               Page3
> > 
> > is NOT excessive use, and should be rendered by <table> correctly,
> > because at the end of the day, all it is IS 'tabular data'.
>  Your demands for exactly such layout seem fair to me. In the ideal world,
> provided infinite hours of programmers' time was spent on lynx, lynx would
> render such tables exactly this way. Currently, lynx's support for tables is
> imperfect in many respects, with the proper handling of column widths being
> something of not mostly demanded (i.e. there are other more importants aspects
> of table rendering that deserve to be improved in lynx). The short answer -
> it seems to me that lynx won't render your table as you wish, unfortunately.
> Some reasonable amount of hacking will be needed to fix this.

Understood --- and if I _could_ hack, I'd be volunteering! Hell, as
things stand, I'd be willing to do "bull work" for some of the current
Lynx hackers to get <table> up to par. I have no clue as to how this
"bull work" can be parceled out -- but if it can, let me know what I have
to do. 
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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