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Re: lynx-dev Is this List for Lynx users or *just* developers

From: Duke Normandin
Subject: Re: lynx-dev Is this List for Lynx users or *just* developers
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:55:38 -0600
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On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:46:51AM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote:
> From: Duke Normandin <address@hidden>
> > The right way?? I don't think so, bud! The right way, is the way _I_ want
> > the content to be displayed! 
> You are working in the wrong medium.  Would you complain about the fact
> that you wanted to paint your house green, and the granite used for
> sculpting wasn't leaving the right color?

I agree --- and you didn't read _anything_ in my posts about Lynx and its
color rendering --- is that not correct?
> HTML is not designed for providing page designer level controls on the
> display and interaction of a page.

And HTML has continuously evolved to include tags that can be used for
layout. Sure its better to segregate the functions between CSS for
example, and HTML -- only because it's easier to amend a site's look and
feel by doing so.

> Make use of something like Acrobat PDF, Flash, etc. if you want exact
> control.  Otherwise, people who have to have java/javascript/etc. turned
> off, who are not permitted to make use of plugins, etc. are not going
> to be able to see the page the way you want anyways.

I don't use Javascript, plugins or anything else specifically to make
sure that the pages can be rendered by all browsers. For me to ask about
why Lynx does not support the 'width' element in <td> correctly isn't
out-of-line, IMO. Were I a programmer, I would sure as hell be working on
this myself, if only to make Lynx friendly with other browsers and web
developers -- regardless of _how_ <table> would/is used by these same
developers. Perhaps there would be no 'Links' and 'w3m' had this been the

Right or wrong, HTML _is_ used, to varying degrees, for layout -- it's a
fact of life. Excessive use for layout _is_ inefficient and should not be
used that way -- there are better tools. But a simple layout like:

Prev                  Home                      Up                   Next
Page1                                                               Page3

is NOT excessive use, and should be rendered by <table> correctly,
because at the end of the day, all it is IS 'tabular data'.
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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