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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Potential of the Sleepycat License

From: Nicolás A . Ortega
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Potential of the Sleepycat License
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 11:11:11 +0200
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The Sleepycat license would be useful for a library because unlike the
GPL (or AGPL) it doesn't force the user of said library (developing a
program that links to the library) to use the same license, but unlike
the LGPL it forces the user to at least disclose source code. I'm saying
that with a slight improvement of the license we could create one that
doesn't only require source code disclosure, but also that it be
completely free. However, I am still reading through another e-mail in
this thread that says it may not be a good idea to make such a
derivative, which I'll have to look through since I really don't know
much about the legal world.

In general, it's about saying that the user can use my library and even
choose their license for their project, but that license must be a free
software license (any of them). That's the general idea of what I see in
this license.

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 09:38:41PM -0400, Bob Jonkman wrote:
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> What does the Sleepycat license gain the user that isn't covered by
> GPL or LPGL?
> All four freedoms are already covered by the xGPL licences, I myself
> can't think of anything more a user needs to maintain zem's freedoms.
> Certainly there are developers who think they need more freedoms
> (including being allowed to use code without exposing source, or using
> someone else's code without attribution, or using code without
> propagating the xGPL), but to me those aren't compelling reasons to
> switch away from xGPL.
> - --Bob.
> On 2017-04-15 05:55 AM, Nicolás A. Ortega wrote:
> > I've tried having this discussion on #fsf and #gnu, and I think
> > that this license has the potential to be a great software
> > license, especially for libraries.
> > 
> > To my understanding the Sleepycat License[0] is a copyleft license
> > in which all derivatives of the work must be licensed likewise
> > (under the Sleepycat license) and works that use a project under
> > this license must disclose source code.
> > 
> > There are, however a couple problems with this license, the first
> > one (as you most likely have noticed while reading the above) is
> > that disclosure of source code does not mean free software, and
> > secondly is the issue that the license uses very specific
> > terminology referring to the BerkleyDB (the software that uses this
> > license) and refers mostly to DB software. Given, disclosure of
> > source code is better (imo) than the LGPL since it forces the
> > disclosure of the sources (while LGPL only does so in the case of
> > static linking if there is no exception), and still gives more
> > freedom for the programmer to choose a license unlike one of the
> > GPL licenses (despite how much I love them).
> > 
> > However, if we can find people with the knowledge to write/modify 
> > licenses ('cause I for sure will not be able to do that) then I
> > think that this license could be modified to fix those two problems
> > (for example, instead of requiring that code be disclosed, all 4
> > freedoms could be required).
> > 
> > I am not an expert in licensing, which is why I brought this up
> > here. Hopefully someone here has the ability, time, and will to do
> > this (if it is possible). (^_^)
> > 
> > [0]
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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