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Re: Is Elisp really that slow?

From: Emanuel Berg
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 23:54:41 +0200
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux)

Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

>> Emacs provides some advantages, but they are
>> not apparent until you experience them.
>> That's a problem for people grown on
>> a culture of instant gratification.
>> Emacs appeals to certain type of users who
>> understand that gains require efforts.
> I find that comment extremely condescending.

Well, maybe not "extremely", but as I said many
times by now, little faith seems to be put in
people coming to Emacs for the first time.

Actually so little, one might start to suspect
we ourselves are very unhappy with our
current state!

Hint: Just change the initial config so it
looks good (cool)! ~Half the problem with
newcomers is solved right there.

> If "instant gratification" means finding
> a common ground on which one can get started
> right away, then I'm all for it.

It doesn't mean that.

> Considering the state of affairs, emacs seems
> first to appeal to people who want to give
> priority to free software, at the *cost* of
> ease of use.


I can assure you I could barely spell to
free software when I started to use Emacs and
the political aspects were totally irrelevant.

There was no "cost". It was just a cool program
and I wanted to do more and more with it.
And that's exactly what happened.

Why this can't happen to a newcomers, some guy
or girl around the world starting Emacs for the
first time _today_, why this cannot happen to
him or her as well I don't understand.
Please enlighten me! Why can't it happen?
What's the difference?

> Access to free software should never be the
> sole privilege of "users who understand that
> gains require efforts". Quite the opposite.

... :) ?

> Eli earlier clearly identified a number of
> areas where emacs required huge and totally
> undue efforts to get the thing to work as
> expected in the 21st century.

Oh, no! More efforts! And huge at that!
And what will happen after those efforts?
Will we then win? Editor Champions of
the World?

Stop it. Or continue, rather. The journey _is_
the goal!

underground experts united

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