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Re: require basic stuff from specific packages


From: Emanuel Berg
Subject: Re: require basic stuff from specific packages
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:06:57 +0200
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux)

Howard Melman <address@hidden> writes:

> In this case it's particularly egregious
> because sub-x.el isn't documented in the lisp
> manual or in any other manual.
>
> Perhaps a page in the lisp manual describing
> these 11 functions, saying these are
> potentially useful, would mean that someone
> would find them, use them and then we'd be
> able to deem them useful.

Well, *reading* manuals are great if they are
books intented for humans to read, for example
my favorite computer book, which is

    @book{internet-book,
      author     = {Comer},
      ISBN       = 0138920923,
      publisher  = {Pearson},
      title      = {The Internet Book},
      year       = 1997
    }

However when it comes to tech details like this
such books aren't much good, and reference
manuals are only good if there is a good method
of looking up things in it.

Otherwise it is only frustrating to browse tons
of material and often I dislike it so much
I prefer writing new stuff to do the same, just
so I don't have to browse all that unrelated
material before I get to what I want...

So, there should be an explicit algorithm which
can be anything from "use the index at the back
of the book" to "use the
`dynamic-built-in-function'...".

The criteria for if the method/reference is good
enough should be that you should find what you
look for if you know the correct term.

In this case, the result was very bad because
I knew the correct term (to "trim" a string)
but still didn't find the function; worse,
I found the ERC, Gnus, Google translate
trimmers, which is confusing at best and will
result in tangled-up software at worst.

But the method applied was `apropos' (search
string: "trim") and nothing else, so there is
no disqualification of any other method anyone
else may suggest - but it sure isn't a good
start...

Another advantage with explicit methods is
that after you have done it you can turn to
gnu.emacs.help or #emacs and nobody can tell
you anything, except for God willing the answer
you are looking for...

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