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Re: Frustrated with Font issues


From: Jai Dayal
Subject: Re: Frustrated with Font issues
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:23:59 -0600

Also, I know the problem is on Emacs' end because the sizes available are
completely idiotic. 11, 14, 17, 23.... I mean really.. every other
application can do every integer between 6 and 34, but Emacs can only go in
some dumb number of font-size increments?


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Jai Dayal <address@hidden> wrote:

> No, I'm simply saying that the fonts available in other applications are
> not available with emacs. If I make it Monospace-10, emacs then actually
> changes the font.. I can see the fonts change, but they don't look like
> monospace-10 at all. instead, if I do C-u C-x = I get
>  x:-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1 (#x3B)
>
> Which is not monospace 10 at all. So either Emacs isn't understanding
> Monospace-10 (when every other application is), or it's displaying
> Monospace 10 completely differently from every application.
>
> I've also installed a whole bunch of font sets and updated my font-cache
> and other applications can see these new fonts, but with emacs, the fonts
> available through set-frame-font are the same as they were before. Emacs is
> indeed using a different set of fonts than every other application known to
> man.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jacob Gerlach <address@hidden>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "have the same font set," particularly in
>> response to Pascal's comments re: the difference between set-frame-font and
>> M-x menu-set-font
>>
>> I have the following in my .emacs:
>> (set-frame-font "Ubuntu Mono-13")
>>
>> I can put any font on my system in place of Ubuntu Mono, be it
>> monospaced, variable pitch, or some nonsense like "Symbol". There is no
>> "set" to choose from.
>>
>> Are you perhaps trying to say that a given font looks different in emacs
>> compared to how it looks in other applications?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jai Dayal <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
>>> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
>>> address@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Jai Dayal <address@hidden> writes:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > >  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts
>>> look
>>> > > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via
>>> > set-frame-font
>>> > > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this
>>> issue,
>>> > and
>>> > > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
>>> > > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
>>> > >
>>> > > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced;
>>> > every
>>> > > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version
>>> of
>>> > Vim
>>> > > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when
>>> every
>>> > > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is
>>> clearly
>>> > an
>>> > > Emacs problem at this point.
>>> > >
>>> > > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My
>>> terminal
>>> > > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
>>> > > display: terminal code #x3B
>>> > >
>>> > > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
>>> > > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
>>> > >
>>> > > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
>>> > >
>>> > > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that
>>> every
>>> > > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when
>>> > other
>>> > > applications have normal fonts?
>>> >
>>> > When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
>>> > applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
>>> > use. Currently (frame-font) -->
>>> > "-unknown-DejaVu Sans
>>> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
>>> >
>>> > (frame-font is from
>>> > https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el
>>> )
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with
>>> pre-selected
>>> > font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
>>> > families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
>>> > to do it anymore.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > __Pascal Bourguignon__
>>> > http://www.informatimago.com/
>>> > "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>


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