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Re: Some racism in emacs!
Re: Some racism in emacs!
02 Jun 2003 08:42:20 +0200
Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) 21.3.50.pjb1.2
John Paul Wallington <address@hidden> writes:
> The cl library, like Common Lisp, is big and hard to subset.
Who asked for a subset?
> Amongst the Emacs Lisp Coding Conventions it is suggested:
> * Please don't require the `cl' package of Common Lisp extensions at
> run time. Use of this package is optional, and it is not part of
> the standard Emacs namespace. If your package loads `cl' at run
> time, that could cause name clashes for users who don't use that
> However, there is no problem with using the `cl' package at compile
> time, for the sake of macros. You do that like this:
> (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
> Hm. I think name clashes are largely a non-problem; a package author
> would be insane to define cl functions/macros incompatibly, wouldn't
> Ways to ameliorate this situation include splitting cl into several
> separate independent libraries, moving ultra-nifty bits into subr.el,
> or defining compiler macros for the more popular functions.
> If you just don't want to see the warnings then try frobbing
> `byte-compile-warnings' (untested).
This is entirely negating the point of Common-Lisp and the `cl' package.
I don't use Microsoft-Word because I don't want to be locked into
their proprietary file format.
By the same token, as much as possible, I don't want to be locked into
emacs lisp specificisms.
Everytime there is an emacs function that have an equivalent in
Common-Lisp, I'll use the Common-Lisp version. This gives me the big
bonus to be able to use most of my lisp code programmed on emacs also
on any other lisp environment.
But I guess that this gives the same cold sweat to Stallman than to
Gates, to see that some users of his programs may want to use
concurent programs! What if suddently GNUS or VM or Kiwi could be
compiled and used with cmucl or clisp? Horror!
I don't mind if features specific to the emacs editor are hard linked
to it (instead of, for example, being programmed as a nice portable
Common-Lisp package). There may have valid technical reasons for it,
or I could even agree with their moral reasons for it. But if I use
emacs for prototyping lisp code, for scripting, or even to program
some personal interactive tools, why should they and all the lisp
libraries I write be locked to emacs lisp?
If emacs developers are worried by name clashes, what are they waiting
for implementing Common-Lisp packages?
Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in reality.