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Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix
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zimoun |
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Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix |
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Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:40:50 +0100 |
Hi Pierre,
I do not understand your arguments. Even re-reading all the thread.
On one hand you are saying that Geiser is the issue of Emacs-Guix. You
raise issue with build (which ’guix-popup’ does not do). And issues
about Geiser proper, compared to SLY or SLIME, and Geiser allows to work
interactively (*Guix REPL*).
On the other hand, you say that « pipe to “guix repl” » would not tackle
the issues you raise about interactive-ness.
> To answer all your points: `guix repl` woud only be used for queries,
> not for transactions.
AFAIU, guix-popup already does that.
The annoyance that popups time to time are not related to Geiser but
related the low-maintenance mode. IMHO.
> For the latter, sending shell crafted commands have worked well for me.
> They can be sent to an M-x shell, Vterm or Eshell buffer.
>
> Example: the user wants to build Emacs?
> Make a dedicated "M-x shell" buffer and send "guix build emacs" there.
Euh? You can do the same with anything. Simply use something else.
I do not understand.
>> I do not understand your point. You are mixing 2 topics:
>>
>> - Emacs front-end for Guix
>> - Scheme mode for Emacs
>
> I don't want to mix the 2, emacs-guix does.
>
> I'm suggesting precisely this: don't mix up the Schemer environment with
> emacs-guix because of the load of trouble it brings in.
>
>> and then applying kind of transitivity: Geiser is poor (compared to
>> SLIME or SLY) so it cannot be used for Guix at all. Applying the same
>> trick: the number of packages in Guix is poor (compared to Debian or
>> Nix) so Guix cannot be used at all.
>
> This is not what I'm saying ;)
What are the issues of Geiser that are blocking in guix-popup?
>> For example, persistence between 2
>> calls.
>
> emacs-guix never relies on persistence if I'm not mistaken.
M-x guix-switch-to-repl
> My suggestion indeed lacks persistence, but at least it works for now
> until we figure out something better.
Now you convinced me that Emacs-Guix needs love. Well the “it works” in
« at least it works for now » is meaningless for me so instead I am
going to report what Emacs-Guix fails and what I would like to have. It
will be more fruitful. ;-)
>> And solving that is somehow inheriting from ’comint-mode’ and so
>> more less rewrite ’geiser-repl.el’; but Guix specific only. Maybe I am
>> missing the obvious.
>
> Sorry I didn't get this part.
You are taking the part that more or less works in Emacs-Guix and want
to replace it. And the other part which is more broken, you remove it.
>> Maybe «pipe to “guix repl”» could simplify what “guix-popup” does.
>> Even, I am not convinced.
>
> Not just that, but listing packages, package details, output listing,
> profile listing, generation listing, etc.
I do not know which version of Emacs-Guix you are using but all that is
already available. For example,
M-x guix-popup p L bro RET C-s ny RET RET
M-x guix-popup p N yxt$ RET
M-x guix-popup P a
M-x guix-popop P a
M-x guix-popop P l 2 RET
etc. And it works!
There is still room of improvements, though. :-)
And others are broken, for instance:
M-x guix-popup c
> Try it out in Nyxt, you'll see for yourself :)
You know that I am trying Nyxt time to time. :-)
However, I am not convinced that on your side you are trying Emacs-Guix
to see for yourself. ;-)
>> Today, the real issue with Emacs-Guix is not Geiser, at all.
>
> Emacs-Guix can't install a package a package that needs to be built
> because of Geiser. So yes, Geiser is the issue.
The dirty-fix in the kind of “guix repl” fashion is easy: run
“(guix-build args)” and expose the output in a specific buffer.
Whatever.
Thank you for sharing your views. Now I am convinced that Emacs-Guix
needs love. :-)
Cheers,
simon
- Re: Announcing emacs-guix-packaging, (continued)
- Re: Announcing emacs-guix-packaging, John Soo, 2020/11/13
- Reviving Emacs-Guix, Ludovic Courtès, 2020/11/13
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, John Soo, 2020/11/13
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/13
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Ludovic Courtès, 2020/11/16
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix,
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- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Ricardo Wurmus, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/14
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, Pierre Neidhardt, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/15
- Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix, zimoun, 2020/11/14