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Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!
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tomas |
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Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die! |
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Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:24:31 +0100 |
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On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 04:56:12PM -0800, Tom Lord wrote:
>
[perl or python instead of sh]
> Bah.
>
> Both perl and python are not stable. [...]
Whereas I consider Perl or Python more appropriate than sh for such
things, this is a real problem. To watch this in action see what
happens to the Debian packaging system when Perl `grows' a bit ;-)
> The problems with the auto* family of tools include:
>
> 1) reliance on separate distribution
[...]
Definitely. I'd dream of a very small embeddable interpreter
with stable semantics and a tight C interface, very portable,
uh, wait a minute.
> 2) wrong approach to application portability
[...]
Many things have changed from the beginnings of Auto*. That's true.
> 3) wrong approach to /bin/sh portability (m4)
[...]
I don't really think that /bin/sh is the right tool for this job.
Especially not the mythical monster called ``portable shell''.
> 4) wrong approach to makefile portability
[...]
I have more issues with /bin/sh than with M4, actually. OK, M4 may
be obscure, but it has at least semantics ;-)
> 5) wrong approach to makefile automation
[...]
If everyone had GNU Make... (but you're quite right: the only widespread
non-Unixoid platform out there probably will have GNU Make whenever it
has some form of /bin/sh: via Cygwin. Times have changed).
> 6) lack of consideration for package management
[...]
Uh, oh. Do you mean offering `hooks' to package management systems to
let them gather whatever bits of information they need? Or yet-another-
package-management-system? Tightly coupled to an application build
framework, at that.
> 7) excessive complexity
[...]
Absolutely. I think we agree that this stems mainly from 3), 4) and 5).
I'll definitely look into your project.
Thanks
-- tomas
- AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2003/02/15
- AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2003/02/15
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Rob Browning, 2003/02/15
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2003/02/15
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Tom Lord, 2003/02/15
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!,
tomas <=
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Rob Browning, 2003/02/18
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, rm, 2003/02/18
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, tomas, 2003/02/19
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Rob Browning, 2003/02/21
- Re: AARRRRGGH! Die Libtool, die!, Rob Browning, 2003/02/15