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Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
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Stephen J. Turnbull |
Subject: |
Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. |
Date: |
Fri, 19 Jun 2015 13:06:57 +0900 |
Richard Stallman writes:
> Your arguments are heated but not coherent.
You might try to refute them, rather than descending to mere name-
calling. Especially in a post where you immediately accuse someone
else of name-calling:
> Denigrating a significant class of users with the term "lobby" does
> not make them less important or less worthy of respect.
No, the term "lobby" does not make anybody worthy of less respect. A
lobby is simply a group of people with a common interest, who advocate
that interest to decision-makers. Given that lobbying is one of your
most important activities, I don't see why you would associate it with
"denigration".
And I've already granted that the costs to those who *can* live with
just ASCII, and *don't* need input methods yet, matter. I think
they're low enough to be worth paying, just as you think the sacrifice
of Japanese OCR is a cost that *I* should pay. Such conflicts can't
be waved away, and each side will lobby for its own interest.
> The situation is simple: using curly quotes in doc strings would be
> a substantial inconvenience for many users _for no practical
> benefit_.
And now you reveal *your* prejudice. That's no help. Paul claims
practical benefit; I agree -- and even Stefan seems to see at least a
possibility of practical benefit.
But both sides are just speculating about what most users will feel.
For reasons I've explained elsewhere, I believe only an experiment can
help determine more accurately what the mass of users will think.
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., (continued)
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Dmitry Gutov, 2015/06/18
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stefan Monnier, 2015/06/18
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Dmitry Gutov, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stefan Monnier, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Dmitry Gutov, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stefan Monnier, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/06/18
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Dmitry Gutov, 2015/06/18
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Richard Stallman, 2015/06/18
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.,
Stephen J. Turnbull <=
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Alan Mackenzie, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/19
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Alan Mackenzie, 2015/06/23
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/23
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Alan Mackenzie, 2015/06/24
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/25
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Richard Stallman, 2015/06/26
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/06/21
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Elias MÃ¥rtenson, 2015/06/22
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/23