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Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea)
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Gregory Casamento |
Subject: |
Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea) |
Date: |
Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:00:41 -0800 (PST) |
--- "Philippe C.D. Robert" <phr@studiosendai.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think this thread is of further use, at least not for this
> list. So I will just comment one paragraph which I believe is a
> common mistake. I hope you understand that.
>
> > > Further, when I compare the results of GSBench (on a 400MHz PII
> with
> > > an ultra fast graphics card) to those of NXBench (25MHz m68k) I get
> > > just scared...;-)
> >
> > Are you sure this comparison is fair as it is ? We have an additional
> > layer, X, and X is very slow itself.
>
> I cannot believe that X is so slow as many seem to believe (at least
> not in those magnitudes). I could run X on a i486 machine with 16
> Megs of RAM quite fine. What I cannot do is to run GS, GNOME, KDE or
> whatever desktop on such a machine, thus I believe the problem is
> mainly caused by such higher level technologies. Today we have
> gigahertz machines, ultrafast graphics cards and more than enough
> memory, I just refuse to believe that it is X and only X that makes
> GNUstep so slow.
> The comparison is IMHO fair because I basically do not care about
> 'under the hood issues' when I want to run an application: either it
> is fast enough or not. The fact that GNUstep runs more or less as
> fast on todays PCs as NEXTSTEP on old NeXTs (or slower in some
> respects) shows me 2 things:
>
> A) NEXTSTEP and the NeXT machines are brilliantly engineered gems.
I vehemently agree w/ this.
> B) GNUstep gui is slow, either caused by unoptimised implementations
> and/or design flaws. I do not know the reason myself.
>
> Thus - to go back to regular work - I believe we should care about
> perfomance, otherwise we will never see applications like Quantrix,
> Diagram or WetPaint on GNUstep - and we all agree that it's the
> existence of such 'killer apps' that is required to make GNUstep more
> popular.
I agree w/ this as well. I believe that the reason for the gui library's
slowness is due to the fact that, up until now, we haven't been concerned about
performance. Heavy usage/testing of the library is the only way to determine
where optimizations are needed.
> cheers, Phil
>
> --
> Philippe C.D. Robert | Senior Developer
> http://www.groupville.com - GroupWare made easy!
>
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Later,
Greg "Going back to work on the NSSpellServer" Casamento
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- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), (continued)
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Gregory Casamento, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Jason H Clouse, 2001/01/08
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea),
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