Re: Cadenza time

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2022-12-29 at 15:31 +0000, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
>  Hi Richard
>  So the non-playing bars have to have exactly the same amount of time
> allocated in rests, and non-printing rests do avoid their being
> visible and messy. Any counting error results in displacement of
> notes.
>  I am still not sure about end cadenza. On Each Staff I get this
> dialogue 
This is fixed now - will be built overnight.

> which implies that I might want to make the end-cadenza
> conditional on layout, which seems counter-intuitive.
>  it is a radio-box so the only alternatives I have are to hide the
> Timesig, which also seems odd, or to have in only dependent on
> Inclusion Criteria. If I choose the least disruptive of these which
> is only when and Inclusion Criterion is set,

The least disruptive is the secoond choice - making the Hide Timesig
apply to all layouts. (The first choice is Conditional on Layout, the
second is

HideTimesig: For all layouts

only then does it go on to offer conditionality on Inclusion criteria.
But the fix means this conditionality will no longer be offered when
setting up Cadenza Time.

Richard


>  I am then forced to
> declare or create an inclusion criterion (which I called never)
>  But I don't understand what this is about, or how you put your end
> of Cadenza mark in without it.
>  Best wishes
>  Joe
>  
>  
>  
> On 29/12/2022 14:43, Richard Shann wrote:
> I meant to include an example, attached here
> it shows a short cadenza and compensating spacers in another staff.
> Richard
> On Thu, 2022-12-29 at 14:39 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
>  
> > On Wed, 2022-12-28 at 16:56 +0000, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> >  
> > > Hi Richard,
> > > Are there any notes on this, because I don't understand?
> > > I can see how to start Cadenza time, and it seems to work, but
> > > when
> > > I
> > > want to end it, effectively on the next bar, I get a plethora of
> > > queries 
> > > as to whether I want things hidden or not, which I really do not
> > > know. I 
> > > have no Inclusion criteria set.
> > Part of the problem is that I think you have started from the
> > commands
> > in the Time Signatures menu, which are possibly too low level -
> > perhaps
> > they should be hidden by default. The more user-facing cadenza
> > commands
> > are in 
> > 
> > Directives->Markings->Spanning,
> > for example:
> > Command: Start Cadenza
> > Inserts Cadenza start at the current cursor position, which should
> > be
> > the start of a (Denemo) bar. Turns off automatic barlines, beaming
> > etc
> > and sets small sized notes for a cadenza. You can break up the
> > cadenza
> > in the Denemo Display into Denemo "bars" if the cadenza is too
> > long.
> > You will need to insert barlines or use the Allow Page/Line break
> > command to let the typesetter break lines. Add Ignore Measure
> > Duration
> > Error directives in each bar if you want to use Check Score.
> > Location: Object Menu ▶ Directives ▶ Markings ▶ Spanning
> > Internal Name: CadenzaOn
> > 
> > 
> > They do have more explanations with them and do things like
> > adjusting
> > the size of the cadenza notes and typesetting the indication at the
> > start of the cadenza.
> > 
> > In any case, the introduction of more support for conditional
> > behvavior
> > has made the insertion of the cadenza  start/end time signatures
> > get
> > interrupted by useless suggestions that they might need conditional
> > settings, so I've fixed that now.
> > 
> > The most important thing you need to take away from the new help
> > text
> > is that *all* other staffs need to have spacer rests where there
> > are
> > cadenza notes so that all the parts start again in sync -
> > essentially
> > it is like saying everyone plays the cadenza, just most play
> > silently!
> > And you should break your cadenza up into chunks (Denemo "bars")
> > that
> > the display can handle nicely - recall the the Denemo display only
> > works with whole Denemo "bars"
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > Essentially i have a 100 bar piece with most instruments being
> > > used
> > > together except for bar 90 when one plays alone for what would be
> > > 13 
> > > bars or so. Then all start together again.
> > > I don't see why I would want to make individual decisions for
> > > each 
> > > staff, including the Marks Staff, as to whether the time sig
> > > appears
> > > or not.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Joe
> > > PS I have attached the file to show where I am working - I
> > > haven't 
> > > finished the cadenza - there is all sorts of stuff to add.
> > > Cadenza in Mandocello.
> > 
> > 
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