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| From: | Richard Shann |
| Subject: | Re: [Denemo-devel] New Binaries? |
| Date: | Tue, 09 Jun 2015 18:00:57 +0100 |
I expect you know all about this, but I noticed another mingw zip file
from today (9th Jun) and it has a working LilyPond, only the compiled
schemas file was missing, which I copied in as before, then everything I
tested worked - including the latest graphical interface to the
braces :)
Richard
On Wed, 2015-06-03 at 13:51 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Richard Shann
> <address@hidden> wrote:
> Further testing: on trying to launch the file chooser this new
> version
> crashes with the attached message. The error seems to be quite
> common -
> some GTK3 thing requiring a file called gschemas.compiled to
> be created
> and installed.
>
>
> I see this file is supposed to be generated at runtime. We can put it
> in the .bat file. I am not sure what we have to do with the installed
> version.
> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/gstreamer-sdk/data/docs/latest/gio/glib-compile-schemas.html
>
>
> Jeremiah
>
>
> I found (by chance) that this file *was* present in the
> previous version of the zip file (under
> usr/share/glib2.0/schemas) and I
> copied from there to the same place in both the zip
> installation and
> the .exe installation and in both cases the file chooser came
> up ok.
>
> Richard
>
> On Sun, 2015-05-31 at 15:07 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 10:59 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
> > > I just compiled a new mingw binary for testing.
> > >
> > Good news - the threading bug has indeed been fixed. Windows
> can be
> > dragged around and re-sized once more - I suspect this is
> going to fix
> > all those headaches with the Apple Mac too - it too won't be
> using X11 I
> > guess.
> >
> > The zip file didn't contain the Denemo.bat file, nor the
> regfont.exe in
> > the bin directory (I copied them from earlier versions to
> test).
> >
> > More seriously, the LilyPond crashes. If possible, we should
> wind the
> > clock back to the tools and libraries we used when LilyPond
> was building
> > properly. If I recall correctly it was only an upgrade to
> glib that we
> > needed for the newer threading functions ... we then got
> drawn into
> > upgrading all sorts of stuff as we hit the thread bug which
> have now
> > been fixed.
> > I suggest winding the clock back to get LilyPond working
> only because I
> > gather that it is very tricky to get it to build correctly -
> but you
> > know more about that than I do.
> >
> > I'm hopeful that we have now put behind us a lot of sporadic
> problems
> > with threads, so I think this is really good news.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jeremiah
> > >
> > > On May 29, 2015 4:06 PM, "Richard Shann"
> <address@hidden>
> > > wrote:
> > > ... deeper still, it seems that two other classes
> of call need
> > > changing,
> > > which I have done for gtk3 only from denemo.h
> > > So *now* I think I have got to the bottom of this
> problem, and
> > > the mingw
> > > build should at last work correctly.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 19:52 +0100, Richard Shann
> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 19:28 +0100, Richard Shann
> wrote:
> > > > > I've tracked down more of this thread and it
> seems that
> > > the fix (below)
> > > > > was not the solution: it seems that
> gdk_threads_init() is
> > > deprecated and
> > > > > should not be used.
> > > >
> > > > reading on deeper, the gdk_threads_enter() and
> leave() are
> > > apparently
> > > > also dangerous and shouldn't be there, again I
> have removed
> > > them and
> > > > tested on Debian and all seems well.
> > > > So this too is now in git - hopefully this is
> the last of
> > > that bug.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've just removed it and tested on Debian and
> > > > > everything seems fine. So re-building from git
> may now
> > > result in no more
> > > > > crashes...
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 18:28 +0100, Richard
> Shann wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 18:10 +0100, Richard
> Shann wrote:
> > > > > > > I think I have found a description of our
> problem:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/2012-July/msg00000.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this guy even suggests a fix:
> > > > > > >
> > >
>
> 8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><
> > > > > > > diff --git a/gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c
> > > b/gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c
> > > > > > > index 2bc7c12..3505fe2 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c
> > > > > > > @@ -3369,9 +3369,10 @@ gdk_event_dispatch
> (GSource
> > > *source,
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > GdkEvent *event;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > + _gdk_win32_display_queue_events
> (_gdk_display);
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > GDK_THREADS_ENTER ();
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - _gdk_win32_display_queue_events
> (_gdk_display);
> > > > > > > event = _gdk_event_unqueue
> (_gdk_display);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if (event)
> > > > > > >
> > >
>
> 8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><8><
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk
> > > +/tree/gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it would seem this patch has not been
> adopted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a comment just before the assertion
> that fails
> > > > > > /* CRITICAL_SECTION is reentrant, but
> SRWLock is not.
> > > > > > * Detect the deadlock that would occur on
> later
> > > Windows version.
> > > > > > */
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible that this code is only valid
> for windows
> > > XP, that would
> > > > > > seem incredible. I can test on windows XP
> given a bit of
> > > time, but
> > > > > > surely they can't be just ignoring the vast
> majority of
> > > windows users???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which is moving the call to
> > > _gdk_win32_display_queue_events() outside of
> > > > > > > the GDK_THREADS_ENTER (); section.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The thread ends with Emanuele Bassi
> sending him off to
> > > the jungle of
> > > > > > > gnome bug trackers ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This report is nearly a year old. Can it
> really be
> > > broken so long?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:34 -0500,
> Jeremiah Benham
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have built another one based off the
> gtk win32
> > > bundle but it also
> > > > > > > > crashed when moving the window. I don't
> know what
> > > else to do here.
> > > > > > > > Once you mentioned a native windows tool
> that was
> > > similar to mxe.
> > > > > > > > Would it be easier to natively compile
> it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 25, 2015 12:07 PM, "Richard
> Shann"
> > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 23:54
> -0500, Jeremiah
> > > Benham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I have found a page on gtk's
> website that
> > > has all the
> > > > > > > > version numbers
> > > > > > > > > they recommend for gtk3 and
> win32.
> > > > > > > > That sounds promising, let me
> know when
> > > there is something to
> > > > > > > > test.
> > > > > > > > > I am going to use this as a
> template and
> > > rebuild. I did
> > > > > > > > retest and I
> > > > > > > > > believe it worked in vista but
> not in XP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hmm, I was able to drag the main
> display a
> > > short distance
> > > > > > > > before it
> > > > > > > > crashed on the last version,
> instead of it
> > > crashing straight
> > > > > > > > away.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On May 24, 2015 10:41 AM,
> "Richard Shann"
> > > > > > > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I saw that you have
> tried another
> > > build dated 25th
> > > > > > > > May, so I
> > > > > > > > > tested this
> > > > > > > > > one too from the zip
> version and
> > > it still will not
> > > > > > > > allow any
> > > > > > > > > window
> > > > > > > > > re-size nor run
> LilyPond. From all
> > > I have read it
> > > > > > > > would seem
> > > > > > > > > likely that
> > > > > > > > > some combination of
> library
> > > versions and compiler
> > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > will work,
> > > > > > > > > but I don't know how
> to find out
> > > which. Have you
> > > > > > > > been able to
> > > > > > > > > re-test
> > > > > > > > > the one that appeared
> to work on
> > > windows vista?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2015-05-22 at
> 08:47 -0500,
> > > Jeremiah Benham
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2015
> at 4:12 AM,
> > > Richard Shann
> > > > > > > > > >
> <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu,
> 2015-05-21 at
> > > 15:26 -0500,
> > > > > > > > Jeremiah Benham
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I created
> new mingw
> > > binaries. This time
> > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > based on gtk3.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've
> downloaded and
> > > tested
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> http://denemo.org/~jjbenham/gub/uploads/denemo-mingw-0.0.0.zip
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > running
> Denemo.bat it
> > > complains that
> > > > > > > > libaubio-4.dll
> > > > > > > > > is not
> > > > > > > > > > found - I
> > > > > > > > > > moved it
> from /lib
> > > to /bin and the program
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > started
> > > > > > > > > > correctly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ok. Thanks for
> letting me know.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The good
> news is that
> > > the fonts are now
> > > > > > > > found, and
> > > > > > > > > the nice
> > > > > > > > > > gtk3
> > > > > > > > > > features are
> present.
> > > > > > > > > > However,
> LilyPond
> > > crashes while processing
> > > > > > > > a file
> > > > > > > > > and Denemo
> > > > > > > > > > crashes the
> > > > > > > > > > moment you
> try to
> > > re-size a window, both
> > > > > > > > symptoms
> > > > > > > > > exactly as
> > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The crash
> when trying to
> > > move or re-size a
> > > > > > > > window
> > > > > > > > > has probably
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > changed
> because, despite
> > > moving to gtk3 I
> > > > > > > > guess that
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > version of
> glib
> > > > > > > > > > is
> unaltered?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I used 2.43 for
> both. I will try
> > > downgrading and
> > > > > > > > rebuilding.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whether this
> is related
> > > to lilypond not
> > > > > > > > working I'm
> > > > > > > > > not sure
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will upgrade it to
> 2.18.2 or
> > > whatever the latest
> > > > > > > > stable of
> > > > > > > > > lilypond.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - the
> > > > > > > > > > attached
> screenshot on
> > > the blue background
> > > > > > > > is from
> > > > > > > > > running gdb
> > > > > > > > > > lilypond.exe
> on a file
> > > called fbtest.ly
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > succeeds in
> > > > > > > > > > earlier
> > > > > > > > > > versions of
> the denemo
> > > installer. The
> > > > > > > > crash in this
> > > > > > > > > case is
> > > > > > > > > > reported in
> > > > > > > > > > a memory
> allocation
> > > routine.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So the most
> hopeful line
> > > might be to look
> > > > > > > > at which
> > > > > > > > > version of
> > > > > > > > > > glib is
> > > > > > > > > > involved in
> the last two
> > > builds. I guess
> > > > > > > > there are
> > > > > > > > > also lower
> > > > > > > > > > level
> > > > > > > > > > things
> (people talk
> > > about pthreads and the
> > > > > > > > > compiler's
> > > > > > > > > >
> libraries ...)
> > > > > > > > > > which could
> be giving us
> > > the trouble.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We could
> install a piece
> > > of code at the
> > > > > > > > start of
> > > > > > > > > main() in
> > > > > > > > > > Denemo that
> > > > > > > > > > - never
> executes the
> > > rest of Denemo's
> > > > > > > > > > code. Then
> trying to
> > > resize the window
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > confirm that the
> > > > > > > > > > bug is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> connected with
> > > Denemo's use of
> > > > > > > > threads.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Could also you try
> to resize the
> > > dialog window
> > > > > > > > that asks you
> > > > > > > > > if you
> > > > > > > > > > want to import your
> old prefs?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will rebuild now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 13,
> 2015 6:51
> > > AM, "Richard Shann"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On
> Tue,
> > > 2015-05-12 at 15:40
> > > > > > > > -0500,
> > > > > > > > > Jeremiah Benham
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> What do you
> > > think is causing
> > > > > > > > the missing
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> I've done some
> > > gdb debugging on
> > > > > > > > the fonts
> > > > > > > > > thing: I
> > > > > > > > > > noticed
> > > > > > > > > > >
> that one of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the buttons in
> > > the horizontal
> > > > > > > > palette, the
> > > > > > > > > one for
> > > > > > > > > > entering
> > > > > > > > > > >
> notes in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> chords *was*
> > > showing the two
> > > > > > > > quarter notes
> > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > correct
> > > > > > > > > > >
> font. Looking
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> its label I
> > > see that it uses
> > > > > > > > the gtk
> > > > > > > > > markup
> > > > > > > > > > language to
> set
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the font
> > > > > > > > > > >
> explicitly,
> > > where the other
> > > > > > > > palette
> > > > > > > > > buttons just
> > > > > > > > > > assume the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> font has
> > > > > > > > > > >
> been set. The
> > > menu items and
> > > > > > > > tooltips will
> > > > > > > > > also just
> > > > > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the font is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> set I think.
> > > The call to set the
> > > > > > > > default
> > > > > > > > > font is
> > > > > > > > > > towards the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> end of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> view.c
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > gtk_settings_set_string_property
> > > > > > > > > (settings,
> > > > > > > > > >
> "gtk-font-name",
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Denemo.prefs.fontspec->str,
> > > > > > > > "denemo");
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> this appears
> > > to be called twice
> > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > starting the
> > > > > > > > > > file, but
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> backtrace is
> > > obscure. I tried
> > > > > > > > calling it
> > > > > > > > > again from
> > > > > > > > > > within gdb
> > > > > > > > > > >
> but this
> > > > > > > > > > >
> gives a crash
> > > during the call,
> > > > > > > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > > because of
> > > > > > > > > > not being in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the right
> > > > > > > > > > >
> part of the
> > > gtk_main loop. In
> > > > > > > > fact, mostly
> > > > > > > > > this gdb
> > > > > > > > > > >
> environment is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> obscure - the
> > > symbol Denemo
> > > > > > > > (which should
> > > > > > > > > be the
> > > > > > > > > > root object
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> all the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Denemo data)
> > > prints as 0, and
> > > > > > > > when trying
> > > > > > > > > to access
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Denemo.project
> > > > > > > > > > >
> (which should
> > > be the current
> > > > > > > > score) gdb
> > > > > > > > > says Denemo
> > > > > > > > > > is not a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> structure.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> The info
> > > threads just lists a
> > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > threads
> > > > > > > > > > in .dlls
> > > > > > > > > > >
> (whereas our
> > > > > > > > > > >
> threads now
> > > have proper names).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So
> this fonts
> > > problem is not to
> > > > > > > > do with
> > > > > > > > > failing to
> > > > > > > > > > install
> > > > > > > > > > >
> fonts, but
> > > > > > > > > > >
> failing to
> > > make gtk use the
> > > > > > > > correct font
> > > > > > > > > as the
> > > > > > > > > > default.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> and the
> > > crashing?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> this happens
> > > the instant you try
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > re-size a
> > > > > > > > > > window. I
> found
> > > > > > > > > > >
> out
> > > > > > > > > > >
> something else
> > > too - LilyPond is
> > > > > > > > crashing,
> > > > > > > > > windows
> > > > > > > > > > throws up a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> window to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> say it has
> > > stopped working,
> > > > > > > > while denemo
> > > > > > > > > itself
> > > > > > > > > > continues to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> work ok.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> I've run it
> > > from the command
> > > > > > > > line and it
> > > > > > > > > gets as far
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > >
> "Preprocessing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> graphical
> > > objects" and then
> > > > > > > > complains
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >
> std::bad_alloc()
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Perhaps we
> > > might have better
> > > > > > > > luck with
> > > > > > > > > gtk3 - at
> > > > > > > > > > least they
> > > > > > > > > > >
> are actively
> > > > > > > > > > >
> working on
> > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> I am having
> > > trouble creating
> > > > > > > > binaries
> > > > > > > > > for Darwin.
> > > > > > > > > > I did
> > > > > > > > > > >
> natively
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> compile
> > > denemo on Darwin but
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > denemo.ttf don't
> > > > > > > > > > is not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> displaying on
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> the side or
> > > in the menu.
> > > > > > > > Everything else
> > > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > fine. This
> > > > > > > > > > >
> was compiled
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> against
> > > gtk3. I don't know if
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > problem will be
> > > > > > > > > > gone if I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> use gtk2.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> What do you
> > > recommend I do?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> This seems to
> > > be the failure to
> > > > > > > > get gtk to
> > > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > notice of
> the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> desired
> > > > > > > > > > >
> default font
> > > that I've described
> > > > > > > > above.
> > > > > > > > > Apparently
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > >
> are .ini type
> > > > > > > > > > >
> files in which
> > > the desired font
> > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > specified ...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.8/GtkSettings.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> On May 11,
> > > 2015 9:44 AM,
> > > > > > > > "Richard Shann"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > I
> > > thought it might be
> > > > > > > > good to
> > > > > > > > > check the
> > > > > > > > > > installer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> version too
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > -
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > behaves similarly, no
> > > > > > > > fonts and
> > > > > > > > > it works
> > > > > > > > > > until you
> > > > > > > > > > >
> try a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > window re-size,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > which is instant
> > > > > > > > death.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > On
> > > Wed, 2015-05-06 at
> > > > > > > > 11:15
> > > > > > > > > +0100, Richard
> > > > > > > > > > Shann
> > > > > > > > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > On
> > > Tue, 2015-05-05
> > > > > > > > at 16:29
> > > > > > > > > -0500,
> > > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> Benham
> > > > > > > > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > I upgraded gtk.
> > > > > > > > Maybe this
> > > > > > > > > will fix
> > > > > > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> created
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > new
> > > mingw
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > binaries.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > I've tested the zip
> > > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > > version - it
> > > > > > > > > > starts up
> > > > > > > > > > >
> with the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > denemo.ttf font
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > not found, but notes
> > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > entered. Any
> > > > > > > > > > attempt
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > re-sizing a window
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > etc causes a crash.
> > > > > > > > > Typesetting appears
> > > > > > > > > > to cause a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> crash in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > the
> > > lilypond
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > process started
> > > > > > > > (Denemo
> > > > > > > > > carries on
> > > > > > > > > > working, but
> a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> microsoft
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > visual c++
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > runtime library
> > > > > > > > window pops up
> > > > > > > > > to warn
> > > > > > > > > > of a crash,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> but it
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > never gets
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > filled in - see
> > > > > > > > attachment).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > On May 5, 2015
> > > > > > > > 9:00 AM,
> > > > > > > > > "Richard
> > > > > > > > > > Shann"
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue,
> > > > > > > > 2015-05-05
> > > > > > > > > at 06:21
> > > > > > > > > > -0500,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Jeremiah
> > > Benham
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > I have
> > > > > > > > created the
> > > > > > > > > mingw
> > > > > > > > > > binaries. I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> will work
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > on
> > > the others
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > today.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > I've
> > > > > > > > downloaded and
> > > > > > > > > run the
> > > > > > > > > > zip file
> > > > > > > > > > >
> version -
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > it crashes
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > on
> > > > > > > > starting - it
> > > > > > > > > hangs the
> > > > > > > > > > machine for
> > > > > > > > > > >
> quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > while as it
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > does this.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > ran it
> > > > > > > > under gdb and
> > > > > > > > > saw that
> > > > > > > > > > it seemed
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> be some
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > sort
> > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > problem -
> > > > > > > > I turned
> > > > > > > > > off the
> > > > > > > > > > continuous
> > > > > > > > > > >
> typesetting
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > (by
> > > editing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > the denemo
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > rc file)
> > > > > > > > and it
> > > > > > > > > started ok. I
> > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > >
> enter a few
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > notes and they
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > sounded
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > on entry.
> > > > > > > > When I
> > > > > > > > > tried to
> > > > > > > > > > typeset in
> the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Print
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > View
> > > window it
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > hung the
> > > > > > > > machine,
> > > > > > > > > requiring a
> > > > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> re-boot. This
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > is
> > > on the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > Vista
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > that runs
> > > > > > > > > 1.2.2 without
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> problem.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > I did
> > > > > > > > another run,
> > > > > > > > > this time
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > >
> trying
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > typesetting -
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > after a
> > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > it froze
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > machine. I found
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> ctrl-alt-del
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > gave
> > > me access
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > machine
> > > > > > > > again and I
> > > > > > > > > was able
> > > > > > > > > > to take a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> snapshot of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > the
> > > gdb
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > console
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > I attach.
> > > > > > > > It looks
> > > > > > > > > like this
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> threading
> > > problems
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > inside the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > gtk system
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > rather
> > > > > > > > than some
> > > > > > > > > denemo thread
> > > > > > > > > > problem
> > > > > > > > > > > (I
> was just
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > changing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > windows in
> > > > > > > > Denemo
> > > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > > > crashed,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> rather than
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > initiating
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > playback,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > entering
> > > > > > > > notes etc -
> > > > > > > > > that's no
> > > > > > > > > > >
> guarantee, of
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > course, but my
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > gut
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > feeling).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > I think it
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > help if we
> > > > > > > > > > could get
> > > > > > > > > > >
> rid of the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > code
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > prompts
> > > > > > > > "Type
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > ENTER..."
> > > > > > > > - I know
> > > > > > > > > you have
> > > > > > > > > > tried
> > > > > > > > > > >
> before, but
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > evidently it is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > there.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > On May
> > > > > > > > 1, 2015
> > > > > > > > > 10:25 AM,
> > > > > > > > > > "Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Shann"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri,
> > > > > > > > > 2015-05-01
> > > > > > > > > > at 09:42
> > > > > > > > > > >
> -0500,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Jeremiah Benham
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I now
> > > > > > > > > have a gub
> > > > > > > > > > branch with
> > > > > > > > > > >
> upgraded
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > glib
> > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > am stuck
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > nsis . I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > create a zip
> > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > >
> now.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > That would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > excellent -
> > > > > > > > > > >
> people can try
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > it
> > > out
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > committing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > themselves.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is the
> > > > > > > > > nsis problem
> > > > > > > > > > related to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> the new
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > glib?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr
> > > > > > > > > 29, 2015
> > > > > > > > > > 8:20 AM,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> "Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Benham"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will
> > > > > > > > > > work on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > It
> may take
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > a
> > > little
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > longer
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > expected.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29,
> > > > > > > > > > 2015 7:59
> > > > > > > > > > >
> AM,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > "Richard Shann"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This seems
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> be the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > latest
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > version of
> > > > > > > > glib:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> https://developer.gnome.org/glib/glib-html-2.44.0.tar.gz
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > that will
> > > > > > > > > > >
> work it
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > would be our
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > best bet
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > for bug
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fixes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On
> > > > > > > > > > Wed,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> 2015-04-29 at
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > 00:02 -0500,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Benham
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >
> getting this
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > error when
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > compile
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > mingw:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > >
> package:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > mingw::denemo
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> download
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > (denemo,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> untar
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > (denemo, mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> patch
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > (denemo, mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > autoupdate (denemo,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> configure
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > (denemo,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *** Stage:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> compile
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > (denemo,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > mingw)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Command
> > > > > > > > > > >
> barfed:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> cd
> /home/jjbenham/public_html/gub/target/mingw/build/denemo-git.savannah.gnu.org--denemo.git-master
> && make -j16
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tail of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> target/mingw/log/denemo.log
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> make[1]: ***
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > [all-recursive]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > Error 1
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> make[1]:
> > > Leaving
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > directory
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > >
>
> `/home/jjbenham/public_html/gub/target/mingw/build/denemo-git.savannah.gnu.org--denemo.git-master'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
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> > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
>
> libaudiobackend.a(libaudiobackend_a-audiointerface.o):audiointerface.c:(.text+0x445):
> undefined reference to `_g_thread_try_new'
>
> libaudiobackend.a(libaudiobackend_a-audiointerface.o):audiointerface.c:(.text+0x8c5):
> undefined reference to `_g_cond_wait_until'
>
> libaudiobackend.a(libaudiobackend_a-dummybackend.o):dummybackend.c:(.text+0x68):
> undefined reference to
> `_g_cond_wait_untilibaudiobackend.a(libaudiobackend_a-audiointerface.o):audiointerface.c:(.text+0x445):
> undefined reference to `_g_thread_try_new'
> @
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> 2015
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > 12:34 PM,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > "Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Benham"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> will do
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > that
> > > tonight.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Jeremiah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> On
> > > > > > > > > > >
> Apr 28,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > 2015
> > > 7:06 AM,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > "Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shann"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Jeremiah,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> The
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > fixes I've
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > made for
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > threading
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > issues seem to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > effective
> > > > > > > > > - and I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> have
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > fixed a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > critical
> > > > > > > > bug
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > in copy &
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > paste - I think
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > we should
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > try for a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > early release of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > 1.2.4.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are you
> > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > generate
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > binaries
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > moment?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > Denemo-devel mailing
> > > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Denemo-devel mailing list
> > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > >
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > > Denemo-devel mailing list
> > > > > address@hidden
> > > > >
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > address@hidden
> > > >
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> > >
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> >
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