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bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file
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Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file |
Date: |
Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:24:35 +0300 |
> From: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 13:51:25 +0900
> Cc: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>, tino.calancha@gmail.com,
> Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit@gmail.com>,
> Leo Liu <sdl.web@gmail.com>
>
> After i found the following threads:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20300137/how-to-create-new-file-from-dired-mode
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2592095/how-do-i-create-an-empty-file-in-emacs
>
> and considering the significant number of views they have, i'd like to
> reopen this issue.
>
> 1. In my config i've bound the new command to 'M-+'.
>
> 2. In the threads above they suggest the keybindings 'c' and '_'.
>
> 'c' is already bound to `dired-do-compress-to', so i propose to bind
> the new command to '_' (unless you have a better proposal).
>
> If there are no objections, i would like to apply the following patch
> in a few days:
Thanks for working on this, Tino.
I have a few concerns that I'd like to raise before we agree on adding
this.
First, I think this might be mixing two separate requests: one is the
desire to start a new file from Dired, the other is to create an empty
file on disk. I think these should be kept separate because they
serve 2 different needs; in particular, the latter is not related to
Dired in any way.
I have no issues with adding a Dired keybinding that would call
find-file without much ado. I'm not sure whether it should be bound
to M-+ or to "C-u +", but I will defer to opinions of others on that.
But I don't think M-+ or whatever we bind that command to should
actually _create_ an empty file on disk. This is not how Emacs works
with files; "C-x C-f" will not create a file until you save the
buffer. That "+" actually creates a directory is IMO an exception
rather than the rule: nothing else makes sense with directories, since
users cannot type directory contents into a buffer and then save it,
at least not easily.
I do recognize a possible need for a function, or maybe even a
command, to create an empty disk file. AFAIK, we don't have such a
function, although it's not hard to write. But I think the use cases
for such a command are quite rare and niche cases, so I think we
shouldn't have a keybinding for it, not even in Dired. Let users who
need this command frequently bind it to a key; with time, if it turns
out I'm wrong and these use cases are much more frequent, we can
decide on providing a binding by default.
So, to summarize my POV: (a) it's okay to add a Dired keybinding for
find-file; (b) let's add a command with no binding for creating an
empty file.
Thanks.
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Tino Calancha, 2017/07/03
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Tino Calancha, 2017/07/03
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Eli Zaretskii, 2017/07/03
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Thien-Thi Nguyen, 2017/07/03
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Ted Zlatanov, 2017/07/07
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Drew Adams, 2017/07/07
- bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Ted Zlatanov, 2017/07/07
bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Drew Adams, 2017/07/03
bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file, Eli Zaretskii, 2017/07/05