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bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. |
Date: |
Wed, 04 May 2016 22:08:51 +0300 |
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:04:17 +0000
> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>
> > I don't. Please let's wait until 25.1 is released, the only way to
> > change this decision is if we see a lot of complaints about this.
>
> There won't be lots of complaints about this. There will be a few people
> who notice, and some of them will utterly hate it, just as I do. Some
> will have their Lisp rendered unworkable, just as happened to me. There
> are thousands of options in Emacs, and most users care about only a small
> subset (although the subset is different for each user). You could
> remove any option, no matter how "important", and you'd get only a small
> number of complaints. This doesn't seem to me like the way to judge
> things.
I see no other way.
> > That some people don't like this. But we knew that back when it was
> > decided to have this feature.
>
> And when was this decision taken? The answer is it wasn't. Despite the
> great opposition to it, Paul plowed ahead with several varied schemes for
> curly quotes, not waiting for consensus first, and in the end, people
> just got tired of opposing him.
>
> > > Put frankly, the curly quote stuff was installed into Emacs without there
> > > being any consensus in favour of it, and was deliberately done in such a
> > > way that it could not be disabled (see below).
>
> > Not true. If there were no consensus, at least not a wide enough one,
> > this wouldn't have been admitted.
>
> That's not the way the Emacs project works. Most contributors work on a
> cooperative basis and first discuss contentious things and abide by
> understandings reached. You and I certainly do. That leaves us open to
> abuse by aggressive committers, who don't abide by the above convention.
> This is what happened with curly quotes. There is nobody in the project
> who feels empowered to revert "premature" commits.
That's not my recollection of how this happened. But the records are
all there, so anyone can re-read them and make up their own minds.
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., (continued)
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., John Wiegley, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Dmitry Gutov, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., John Wiegley, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Andreas Schwab, 2016/05/05
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/05
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/05
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/05
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., John Wiegley, 2016/05/05
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Nicolas Petton, 2016/05/06
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Andreas Schwab, 2016/05/04