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Re: Emacs Manual: Editing Format Information


From: Devon
Subject: Re: Emacs Manual: Editing Format Information
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 01:36:03 -0500 (EST)

Thanks for your reply!  I am constantly astounded how easy it is to be
completely misunderstood when talking of software, even with a patch.
I will say it again and this time I will try to be as more clear.
First, here is the fix...

--- emacs-21.1/man/text.texi.~1~        Thu Nov  1 15:10:18 2001
+++ emacs-21.1/man/text.texi    Thu Nov  1 15:22:04 2001
@@ -1813,8 +1813,9 @@
 
   The easiest way to add properties to your document is by using the Text
 Properties menu.  You can get to this menu in two ways: from the Edit
-menu in the menu bar, or with @kbd{C-Mouse-2} (hold the @key{CTRL} key
-and press the middle mouse button).
+menu in the menu bar (@kbd{M-` e t} or @kbd{F10 e t}, @pxref{Menu Bar})
+or with @kbd{C-Mouse-2} (hold the @key{CTRL} key and press the middle
+mouse button).

...as published, the node _Editing Format Information_ is just plain false,
in and of itself.  This proposed fix above makes it true.

There are five menu items listed at the botton of that same node
which are described nowhere else.  They lack keyboard commands.
If this fix is still not obvious, I will send more later.

                Cheers
                        --Devon
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PS: previous message follows for continuity,
sorry about the total non-communication.

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:29:09 +0200 (IST)
From: Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden>

> From: address@hidden
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:50:19 -0500 (EST)
> 
> You describe no way to add properties using the keyboard!
> You promise one way with the keyboard and one with the mouse
> but deliver two ways that both require the mouse.  For shame!

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what feature are you talking about.
Is it about the chapter "Editing Formatted Text" which describes
Enriched Text Mode and related features?  If so, the section "Faces in
Formatted Text" documents keyboard commands such as "M-g b" and "M-g i"
which don't need the mouse.

>    The easiest way to add properties to your document is by using the Text
>  Properties menu.  You can get to this menu in two ways: from the Edit
> -menu in the menu bar, or with @kbd{C-Mouse-2} (hold the @key{CTRL} key
> -and press the middle mouse button).
> +menu in the menu bar (@kbd{M-` e t} or @kbd{F10 e t}, @pxref{Menu Bar})
> +or with @kbd{C-Mouse-2} (hold the @key{CTRL} key and press the middle
> +mouse button).

The very next section describes the keyboard way (mentioned above).
Perhaps all that is missing is to say that the reader should look in
the next section for the other way".



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