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Re: [STUMP] Strange keyboard layouts and Stumpwm

From: Eric Wolf
Subject: Re: [STUMP] Strange keyboard layouts and Stumpwm
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:11:28 +0200
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux)

Shawn Betts <address@hidden> writes:

> 2010/6/17 Eric Wolf <address@hidden>:
>> Shawn Betts <address@hidden> writes:
>>> 2010/6/17 Eric Wolf <address@hidden>:
>>>> Shawn Betts <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>> still the same problem
>>>>> What's the output from the 'modifiers' command?
>>>> Sorry, forgot that.
>>>> Meta: mod-1
>>>> Alt:
>>>> Super: mod-4
>>>> Hyper:
>>>> AltGr: mod-5
>>> At least it recognizes where altgr is supposed to be. I have a
>>> different layout than you but when I configure altgr stumpwm
>>> recognizes the altgr keys. So something I'd like to look at is the
>>> entire output of 'xmodmap -pk' to see if the keycode mapping is not
>>> what I'm expecting it to be. Can you send me that?
>> Of course
>> Might look strange, its a special ergonomic layout called neo2.
>>     29         0x006b (k)      0x004b (K)      0x006b (k)      0x004b (K)    
>>   0x0021 (exclam) 0x07ea (Greek_kappa)    0x00a1 (exclamdown)     0x0000 
>> (NoSymbol)       0x00d7 (multiply)
> Looks like it's behaving properly. ISO_Level3_Shift tells the app to
> grab the 3rd index in the keycode mapping, which is k. Presumably
> ISO_Level5_Shift tells it to grab the 5th index, which is !.
> Unfortunately, stumpwm doesn't handle ISO_Level5_Shift, but it easily
> could.
> Is there a name for the level5 shift key? AltGr2 or something? :)

What about “Level5”? But I don't know if there is some widely accepted

But there are a few things I don't understand. I looked on my xmodmap
-pk output to check wether the line above is truly correct and yes it
is! But whats a little bit annoying about that is, that I get my ! with
ISO_Level3_Shift + k. So I thought it must come from the differences
in xkb and xmodmap. The Keyboard layout comes as three files for xkb.

So I downloaded the alternative xmodmap-driver for a user install and
tried that. You can get it at
and load it with setxkbmap lv && xmodmap neo_de.xmodmap.

(setxkbmap lv is needed to get X to eval the higher levels over
the b for example.)

and now I have the following output:

shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lock        Mode_switch (0x42)
control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x69)
mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Meta_L (0xcd)
mod2        Tab (0x4d)
mod4        Super_L (0x85),  Super_R (0x86),  Super_L (0xce),  Hyper_L (0xcf)
mod5        ISO_Level3_Shift (0x5c),  Mode_switch (0xcb)

xmodmap -pk | egrep '^[[:space:]]+29'
     29         0x006b (k)      0x004b (K)      0x0021 (exclam) 0x07ea 
(Greek_kappa)0x00a1 (exclamdown) 0x0000 (NoSymbol)       0x00d7 (multiply)      

StumpWM modifiers command
Meta: mod-1
Super: mod-4
AltGr: mod-5

AND STILL C-t <caps>+k kills windows instead of an exec.

Another thing is disturbing me: Does StumpWM use the xkb extension, if
not there might be a problem with the xkb-version of neo, but why does
the xmodmap-version not work? Now ! should be on mode_switch+k, where
xev and emacs can find it, but C-t + <caps>-k doesn't work as expected.

I'm not an expert in this field and I have trouble finding documentation
for xkb and xmodmap, so I don't know how I can help. 

I would be glad, if could use my favorite WM with my favorite keyboard

Yours sincerely,


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